Having A Hard Time Deciding Between LS Or Kioti

[cat fever]

Being one who's intent was to buy a non cab model, I am very happy my wife insisted i get the cab. With all other things being equal (give or take) I would get a cab model. I only wish I had the money to have both.
I will add, I have not had one problem to date with my Kioti.

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[GManBart]

Obsolete? Speak for yourself k0ua. You have an obsolete tractor of an obsolete lineup. Yet you seem to like it plenty. Nothing wrong with buying a tier 3 tractor.

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seemed to me like he was saying more that it was a discontinued model rather than actually obsolete. I can't imagine he was suggesting it's not a good machine.

 

[k0ua]

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seemed to me like he was saying more that it was a discontinued model rather than actually obsolete. I can't imagine he was suggesting it's not a good machine.

That was my exact intent. Perhaps a poor choice of words. yes my DK35se is discontinued also, as is the whole DKse lineup.

 

[Roadbuilder6]

I'm not a large fan of those sizes of those tractors, BUT in this case I would go with the LS. I would love to have a cab but due to barn limitations it wasn't an option. Both are great tractors and I would rather have a nice new kioti then my kubota. But LS makes the New Holland Boomer series and the Case Farmall 30-50 horse tractors (not the CVT's). If your dealer did drop buying mechanical parts wouldn't be insane as you could buy mechanical parts from Case or New Holland.

 

[batwing]

I would try out both and pick the one I like best, as far as color I prefer the green then red then blue my last color would be orange. My wife picks her car out mainly by color.
Ron

 

[TJP89]

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it seemed to me like he was saying more that it was a discontinued model rather than actually obsolete. I can't imagine he was suggesting it's not a good machine.

Yes, I was half joking with that little rant. k0ua does have a point about the increased lift of the new CKs. However, I get the feeling the OP has narrowed it down to these, and doesn't want to prolong the search. He's been asking good questions all over for a few weeks now, and I think he's finally getting close.

 

[davrow]

I was budget restricted and the non-cab Kioti CK fit the budget restrictions. I wanted a cab, but couldn't do it within my budget.

I would not consider brand as important either way in this comparison. Get the one you like. Either will serve you well.

 

[chuck172]

Yes, I was half joking with that little rant. k0ua does have a point about the increased lift of the new CKs. However, I get the feeling the OP has narrowed it down to these, and doesn't want to prolong the search. He's been asking good questions all over for a few weeks now, and I think he's finally getting close.

I had a ck35. Great tractor, but I needed more loader lift. Moved up to the DK40. I think if the ck would have had a more powerful loader it would have outclassed all the competition. As was, I really liked the CK.

 

[Hdoilcan]

Here's a little bit of an updat.
Yesterday I called another LS dealer about an hour and forty five minutes away. I asked them for a price on a LS XR3135. The man on the phone said he has never heard of that model before. I told him its on the LS website etc. He asked if he could could call me back after he looks into it a little more. I said sure no problem.
I then call LS to ask about the price on the identical backhoe to the Kioti KB2475. A lady answers the phone and said "LS". I'm a little confused....... I expected I guess a little more than "LS" lol but no big deal. I tell her Id like to talk to someone about the price of the backhoes...... I explained to her how Kioti has the same backhoe for $1,150 less and was wondering if we could get the prices to match up a little closer. She said "talk to your dealer. I said " I did but the dealer can't match an incentive from another company so I was wondering if the area rep could help out with it. Well her tone changed as to if I was up to doing something wrong. She took my name and number and said she will have someone call me. She wasn't rude...... But I think LS could fine someone with better customer service skills.
I got off the phone and called the Kioti dealer and told him I will not be going with the CK35 due to after seeing it (he had a few tractors come from another dealer in another state) we didn't like the fact that a lot of the plastic was faded out ( he tractor was wheathered ). My wife doesn't want to spend the money on a new tractor that doesn't look new. Anyways the dealer was fine with that and totally understood. We then started talking about the new CK3510 & CK4010. He explained the new models as to what they come with standard and what options they have etc. he priced all the options out for me and said you pick the ones you want. It turn out the new CK3510 will be a little cheaper than the CK35 and for $1,600 more you can bump up to the CK4010..... For me it's a no brainier to bump up. The only downfall with this new model is there's no factory cab (only dealer installed) available.
A little while after getting off the phone with the Kioti dealer I get a call back from the LS dealer.mthis time it's a different guy than the guy I talked to before. He says "we are trying to fined out some information on this new tractor model your teaching us about" I said "huh? Me teaching you about?" He says well this is a new model LS is coming out with. It won't be out until they sell out of all current inventory of the current model that it will replace" I said " no it all ready out." He said " no it only on there website at this time." I said " no it's already out. I have sat on one at Brian's (another dealer). He has the XR3135 sitting inside the building and the XR3037 parked outside" he says "you actually sat on this XR3135?. I said "yes" he then started talking about what the price of it. He gave me some prices. He asked my location and I told him. He then said " you have a good dealer in your area and that where you should be buying from" I said "the dealer in my area is a great guy but I'm calling around for prices". He was making it clear to buy from my local dealer. I then got into talking about the phone call I had with the lady from LS and told him I was a little upset with it. He said you shouldn't let the phone call from corporate office effect wheather to buy a LS tractor or not. I told him I would expect a dealer to make me upset over something..... Not the corporate office. We talked a little more and said if there was anything else he could do for me he would be happy to help me. I said thanks you and we hung up. He has no idea about the product he is selling.
About 5 minutes later I get a call from I'm believing is a LS rep in my area due to the are code from his phone number. I go thru and explain to him the whole thing about Kioti having the same backhoe for $1,150 cheaper. I asked him is there something he can do with the price. He said " I can just pull an incentive out of my hat" I said I understand it's just hard a a consumer to see two identical items but ones $1,150 more. He said " mabe Kioti has a bunch of them and is just trying to dump them" I said " no.....mother have incentives if you buy the tractor and backhoe as a package". He then skips what I'm trying to explain and says LS makes great machines etc etc etc. I said "I know they do. It this backhoe situation something you can help me with to make this sale happen?" He says "no". I said " ok thank you for your time".
I'm not mad that they won't match the price because all in all the overall price of the whole package I'm ok with. I just figured I'd ask about matching prices on the backhoe. If you don't ask then it won't happen. But I guess I'm not happy with the way the corporate office lady was, the dealer not knowing the products he sells and who I assume the area rep...... How he was on the phone. Again it's not because things didn't go my way...... It's just the tone etc. Although as a business owner I will try all I can to make a sale happen. I would have thought they would have worked with me a little bit to make a $32,000 sale happen.
As of right now I'm looking at it this way...... I haven't even spent my money with this company and I'm not happy with their customer service and their dealers lack of knowledge. The dealer I would buy the tractor from doesn't seem to know the LS tractors either. The closet dealer to me is great seems to know his product and wish I could buy from him but the numbers just aren't lining up.
This really makes my decision hard because I don't really like LS now (I really like the tractor) and I really like the sounds of the new Kioti CK4010 but Kioti doesn't offer the cab and I really want the cab.
All you guys here have some good advice so far and I could be right or wrong in this situation so please help set me straight either way.

 

[TSO]

Maybe you should expand your choices. Lots of good offerings out there. If you want a cab, I don't understand why you'd even bother looking at a CK35/3510. Why not check into (for comparison) a Kubota L3560, Massey 1736, etc. In fact, my friend is selling a great condition low hr L3540 (tier 3) HST cab that you could get for around $27k. Heck, you could even grab my Massey 1648 (tier 3) HST cab for around $28,500. Also good offerings from Deere, Mahindra, TYM, etc...