CK35 HST shattered piston at 400 hours

[deezler]

Either way, drain that oil out and send it for analysis. It will be money well spent, and will bolster your case for more than a piston replacement repair. Let Kioti know you're doing it so they can factor in the outcome in their decisions.

Just curious what your thinking is behind advising this. Are you looking for bearing material? What do we need to know about the oil when the engine destruction is already so evident, beyond what a full tear down would reveal (which, IMO, should be done anyway) ?

Thanks.

 

[Fawken]

To me "great use" is being able to get on a machine and work it without worrying about it failing at the worst possible moment. If it was just a car that I was driving to and from work I might (but I doubt it) consider keeping such an engine. To go through the entire motor looking for possible damage from floating debris has got to cost more than just ordering a new motor from Korea and getting a mom and pop shop to swap it out. If I didn't have the motor completely torn down and checked, I'd always be wary that the $4,000 to have a cylinder re-sleeved etc. was just the first installment toward a continual money pit conundrum.

 

[o2batsea]

Rebuilding is only cost effective if there is not another replacement engine available. It's always better to swap. When an engine blows, bazillions of microscopic particles of metal are distributed throughout every nook and cranny where the oil flows. That includes all the other bores and bearings. This particular engine is a boat anchor; no saving it.
So the only course of action is a new or remanufactured engine. Hoping that you will get some kind of help from Mr Kioti.

 

[Coyote machine]

Just curious what your thinking is behind advising this. Are you looking for bearing material? What do we need to know about the oil when the engine destruction is already so evident, beyond what a full tear down would reveal (which, IMO, should be done anyway) ?

Thanks.

For $25 spent the analysis can show what the oil contains, PPM of various metals and a through report of the extent of damage done. This can be a valuable aid to the OP in pressing his case to have Kioti do more than a single piston repair, and for Kioti to make an intelligent decision about whether to offer a rebuilt or new engine instead of a repair. I doubt they will offer to swap out for a different engine due to lack of obligation since the warranty has past. One can argue all day long about Texas lemon laws, etc., but that doesn't change a thing, IT FAILED AFTER expiration of the manufacturer's warranty. That mean no matter what happened, or why, or when, inside the engine is IRRELEVANT to now.
Hope this helps clarify...

To me "great use" is being able to get on a machine and work it without worrying about it failing at the worst possible moment. If it was just a car that I was driving to and from work I might (but I doubt it) consider keeping such an engine. To go through the entire motor looking for possible damage from floating debris has got to cost more than just ordering a new motor from Korea and getting a mom and pop shop to swap it out. If I didn't have the motor completely torn down and checked, I'd always be wary that the $4,000 to have a cylinder re-sleeved etc. was just the first installment toward a continual money pit conundrum.

This is part of the problem, you don't seem to grasp; it's NOT got anything to do with what you think should be done, or what you think would be appropriate. It ONLY has to do with what Kioti is WILLING to provide to the OP. End of story. Forget Texas lemon law, and everything else that can be conjured up; ALL IRRELEVANT. Lemon laws apply to things that can't be fixed numerous times during warranty. There IS NO warranty, nothing failed numerous times. Sit back and wait for Kioti's determination; the ONLY thing that matter's here. The mere fact that Kioti IS stepping up is huge in this situation for the owner of an expired warranty tractor.

Rebuilding is only cost effective if there is not another replacement engine available. It's always better to swap. When an engine blows, bazillions of microscopic particles of metal are distributed throughout every nook and cranny where the oil flows. That includes all the other bores and bearings. This particular engine is a boat anchor; no saving it.
So the only course of action is a new or remanufactured engine. Hoping that you will get some kind of help from Mr Kioti.

Sorry, NOT so. The ONLY course of action is the one Kioti determines and agrees to with it's customer, who owns: see above.....

 

[Fawken]

For $25 spent the analysis can show what the oil contains, PPM of various metals and a through report of the extent of damage done. This can be a valuable aid to the OP in pressing his case to have Kioti do more than a single piston repair, and for Kioti to make an intelligent decision about whether to offer a rebuilt or new engine instead of a repair. I doubt they will offer to swap out for a different engine due to lack of obligation since the warranty has past. One can argue all day long about Texas lemon laws, etc., but that doesn't change a thing, IT FAILED AFTER expiration of the manufacturer's warranty. That mean no matter what happened, or why, or when, inside the engine is IRRELEVANT to now.
Hope this helps clarify...



This is part of the problem, you don't seem to grasp; it's NOT got anything to do with what you think should be done, or what you think would be appropriate. It ONLY has to do with what Kioti is WILLING to provide to the OP. End of story. Forget Texas lemon law, and everything else that can be conjured up; ALL IRRELEVANT. Lemon laws apply to things that can't be fixed numerous times during warranty. There IS NO warranty, nothing failed numerous times. Sit back and wait for Kioti's determination; the ONLY thing that matter's here. The mere fact that Kioti IS stepping up is huge in this situation for the owner of an expired warranty tractor.



Sorry, NOT so. The ONLY course of action is the one Kioti determines and agrees to with it's customer, who owns: see above.....

Do you often have these kinds of fits? In Texas, it all comes down to a jury- whether you like it or not. It matters what I think the same amount as it matters what you think. That is the purpose of a "forum." I would like to suggest that you apply for a position with Kioti's public relations department. Surely they could use a few "forum specialists" to try and tilt public opinion in favor of this Korean Mega-billion dollar company at the expense of Chris. Even the Dealer told Chris he had NEVER seen a piston do that before. What does that tell you? It tells me that it was not a design flaw, but rather a defective piston. Probably the only one they'll ever have. Now you can sing their praises and represent them here like some New York lawyer, but I know right from wrong and I know what the phrase acting in good faith is all about. Have a nice day.

 

[Coyote machine]

This situation will NEVER end up in front of a jury. Texas aside, lemon laws, motorcycles and cameras, aside too, there is NO basis for anything even related to a jury.
And I'm not having any kind of fit. I actually know how things work, and that's what I'm basing my statements on.

I don't speak for or represent Kioti in any way, nor will I ever do so.

I'll explain it again: nothing any of us says here has any bearing on what Kioti decides. That is because for the millionth time, it's OFF warranty. That means Kioti is obligated to do nothing they don't CHOOSE to do.
You can keep saying the same thing till you're blue in the face; it won't influence what Kioti does for their customer, period, end of story.
BTW, If you're going to quote me then do so correctly, not just a bunch of what I said out of the context in which I wrote it.
Tell you what, I'll join Kioti's public relations staff when you join the beat a dead horse 'till it comes alive Texans group. :confused2:

 

[Fawken]

I'll explain it again: nothing any of us says here has any bearing on what Kioti decides. .:

I agree. Have a nice day.

 

[Mysfyt]

If and when it becomes prudent, save the oil filter and cut the top (threaded end) off and look at what the paper caught. Might also be able to have it analyzed if you find some shiny particulate in the creases.

 

[Mysfyt]

Rebuilding is only cost effective if there is not another replacement engine available. It's always better to swap. When an engine blows, bazillions of microscopic particles of metal are distributed throughout every nook and cranny where the oil flows. That includes all the other bores and bearings. This particular engine is a boat anchor; no saving it.
So the only course of action is a new or remanufactured engine. Hoping that you will get some kind of help from Mr Kioti.

I'm not going to be too quick at playing taps over this engine. Ventilation holes from a broken rod would have me hooking it up to the anchor chain if that were the case. Let's wait until we know the full extent of the damage B4 we break out the black arm bands.

 

[CenTex Chris]

The mere fact that Kioti IS stepping up is huge in this situation for the owner of an expired warranty tractor.

Well... actually... Kioti is aware of the situation. They have not stepped up yet. I have a dialog with a customer service rep and so far, that's all it is.

The last communication I had with them was Friday. The gist of it was: "We have gotten the process started, but we will not have a definitive answer for you today. There are many variables to consider."

I'm not counting on anything. They could very easily say they're sorry and just walk away. The warranty is expired, after all. I have no expectations whatsoever. We'll see what happens (if anything).

There will be no lawsuit. While it is very true these days that you can sue anybody for anything, the fact is I don't have those kinds of resources. And with an expired warranty I don't think there's any case. It would be different if a number of other CK owners were affected, but that's not what this is. Besides, the amount of money required to mount a legal action would probably pay for a complete rebuild plus a brand new tractor. I can't afford that. What I can afford is my friendly neighborhood non-Kioti diesel mechanic to swap out a piston and then I'll put the thing on CraigsList. You folks are the impetus for that... at first I ready to sell it "as is" and take a bath on it. Now I'm thinking it's salvageable as a sellable tractor.

Whether or not Kioti decides to step up has yet to be seen. I'm *hoping* they do. I'm *expecting* they won't. The avoidance of disappointment is a pessimist's advantage. I trust y'all understand that.

Again, many thanks to everyone here.