VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean?

   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #161  
Don't think it's an agenda really, if you see what's happening in Europe and the UK right now you might change your mind.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #163  
Sounds like he bought it new, so he is hitting deprecation when he wants to get rid of it. The funny thing is that the Passat already uses DEF, so (if I understand the stories) his car is already in compliance...

Aaron Z

The very first post of that TDIClub link I posted is a summary of what is currently known about the situation. It tells which cars are hit by it etc. The mods are trying to pull info out of the (over 281 pages now) and update the first post with the info so it's a good "one stop" place to see what's going on.

The Passat is on the list.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #164  
Don't think it's an agenda really, if you see what's happening in Europe and the UK right now you might change your mind.

I work in Germany (and other countries in Europe) some and like to pretend I know what's going on. I do know their NOx rates aren't as strict as ours and I know their diesel is superior to ours ... it's rape seed based and over 50 cetane.

*Edit: ... and their are LOTs of diesel cars there (American made too!) and diesel is cheaper than gas!
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #166  
And, the last 200 pages have been mostly gibberish and restating of the obvious.

You're right! It kind of surprises me. I guess I'm just getting older and don't understand the Millennial's, the forum used to be real mature and good content ... looking through those posts it's just a bunch of hyperventilating and straw man combat/air boxing ... I don't know what you all it. I guess it's the twitter generation or at least that's what came to mind!
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #167  
Don't think it's an agenda really, if you see what's happening in Europe and the UK right now you might change your mind.

I agree. EPA barely had passenger vehicle diesel on their radar until that past year or so when this VW thing came up. They have much bigger fish to fry. Recall that the EPA had lower diesel emission standards than CA (and other states like MA that adopted CA standards). As I recall in 2007 you could buy a Mercedes diesel anywhere in the US except CA and MA.

The persistent emotional hatred of the EPA by the right wing needs to be considered as simply a political, not a rational, statement. The reactionary and frankly intellectually lazy anti EPA attitudes that are regurgitated daily in the echo chamber are not going to help deal with situations like those posed by VW. "Don't tell me what to do" or "we didn't do it this way when I was growing up" is a rather childish approach to the environment. I do understand that folks in Wyoming don't understand why they should be held to the same standards for air quality control as California but then I also understand why the 38 million people in California are sometimes angry that the half million people in Wyoming have equal influence in the Senate. It goes both ways. We have national standards and a national organization (EPA) to maintain environmental standards because, simply, we are a nation and history has taught us that we need standards. Who else is going to insure that trucks don't belch smoke or that car companies play on a level and relatively clean field? Corporations will gladly rape the land, air and water to secure their own profits. The superfund sites were not created by the EPA, they were created mostly by profit seeking companies operating in the commercial environment that preceded the creation of the EPA. And yes, even government needs to be held to EPA standards as is obvious from nuclear and military toxic waste disposal problems. If one company is honest then they will be overwhelmed by the companies that are willing to bend or break the rules. EPA, with teeth, serves as a referee to insure that environmental fouls are called and penalized. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #168  
The argument is that the European standards are good enough and the EPA has gone to far.

I just heard some BMW diesels are also coming under scrutiny. We have two Chevrolet Cruze Turbodiesels that use a VM Motori 2L built in Germany but significantly modified and upgraded for US use. Hopefully GM played it straight. I like driving them and got 48.7 mpg on a trip to MD and back without really trying.

Someone proposed an $18 billion fine. One group already pusing back is the state of TN, who invested heavily in VW's plant there.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #169  
As they are today admitting to having the "defeat software" on even more engines (globally) than previously announced, this is going to get worse. What a mess. This will take several years to sort out. I suppose, on the bright side, this will be an opportunity for the big 3 in the US to take some of that market share.
 
   / VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean? #170  
VW was already road kill in the US. They were #1 in the world, and #14 in the US with 2.1% YTD. Volkswagen Group has 3.5% and Audi and Porsche were up a bit. 25-40% of VW sales were diesels so low fuel prices and this fiasco are going to slaughter their little remaining market share. Presumably the Audi diesels are also affected.

Subaru, which most people outside the snow belt have seldom seen let alone buy, now outsells VW in the US market by 50%.

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