Ram Eco Diesel towing 3500# 1300 miles

[wawajake]

Did you read his last couple posts? No bashing at all, just stating facts, and showing that the Ram did better than his Ford on fuel economy (praising the EcoDiesel? Huh? What?). I tell you, some people just look for something negative in every freaking thing. Geez!

Actually you seem to be reading his posts with rose coloured glasses , (and why he originally started this thread ) but your right , some people just look for something negative in every freaking thing (except Ford's)

 

[Diamondpilot]

My oh My ... Chris you are determined to keep up your Ram diesel bash with anecdotes. Considering we will never know whether your numbers and impacts are city or highway miles and whether honesty could come from someone with the "Ford" bias avatar..........suffice it to say that Ram with their Eco diesel won rave reviews (2014 MotorTrend Truck of Year ) and now GM has won 2016 Motor Trend truck of year with their Colorado small diesel , I guess there are a lot of qualified people that can see that these trucks have a valued purpose and can be lauded for that. Get over it , Next year Ford will come up with something else, it is this competition that gets us the variety of quality products we get to chose from!

No bashing, just facts. I have my hands on better than a dozen trucks each week through my hanger. We all know the Eco Diesel can do 28 mpg or better as we all know the Eco Boost can do 24 mpg or better. Here are two trucks real world numbers and it simply shows that the diesel is a tough sell. Especially when it has less ability.

Using the numbers of these two real world trucks the diesel got 30% better economy. That wouldn't be bad if the fuel was the same price. Gas in my area is $1.74 per gallon while diesel is $2.49. At the end of this he day they both cost $.10 per mile.

Chris

 

[Raspy]

No bashing, just facts. I have my hands on better than a dozen trucks each week through my hanger. We all know the Eco Diesel can do 28 mpg or better as we all know the Eco Boost can do 24 mpg or better. Here are two trucks real world numbers and it simply shows that the diesel is a tough sell. Especially when it has less ability.

Using the numbers of these two real world trucks the diesel got 30% better economy. That wouldn't be bad if the fuel was the same price. Gas in my area is $1.74 per gallon while diesel is $2.49. At the end of this he day they both cost $.10 per mile.


Chris

If your example of gas vs diesel cost was true in every area and the only thing people wanted in trucks was the lowest operating cost for a limited term of ownership, you might have a point. Brand bias plays a big role in these decisions and some folks like diesels because of their excellent driving characteristics. Also the length one intends to keep something plays a role. It's funny too, that people have been wanting a more economical diesel truck for a long time. One that has less towing capacity is fine for those folks because they just want a lighter duty truck that is more economical than a one ton. Now that lightness is being used against Ram as being less capable so it's not as good. Sheesh.

I don't see the Ecodiesel as a tough sell at all, except to a Ford loyalist. People have been asking for smaller diesels for years and the Eco-diesel seems like a very good engine. I like diesels and will avoid gas if I can. The Ford eco-boost is using very modern technology with it's direct injection and turbo on a gas engine. Good for them, but they have a long record of very poor designs that end up costing consumers a fortune because they don't hold up.

I recently bought a new Cummins because I think they are the best engines available in a pickup and they are towing monsters. It's more truck than I need most of the time and I'm perfectly happy to accept that it will cost more to operate than an Eco-boost.

 

[Trillium Farm]

The diesel craze started in Europe where diesel was 1/2 the price of gas and though you paid xtra for the engine you recovered it pretty fast at that price. In northamerica this is not the case as most diesel users are commercial they soak it to you because that's a deductible expense, no other reason since diesel is cheaper to produce than gasoline. MVMotori is a very good diesel engine designed for light duty, gives good economy, but not the pulling power like cummins which is rather thirsty in comparison. Gasoline here is about the same price as diesel, a diesel engine is about $3,000 more than a gasoline one, one can do the math and decide. Today's diesels don't have the staying power of those built yesterday, but they are cleaner, cost more and won't last as long. This is progress or is it?

 

[buickanddeere]

Any warm climate 3rd world country without emissions regulations . Generally has diesels in just about every light , medium and HD machine or vehicle .

 

[farm boy00]

If your example of gas vs diesel cost was true in every area and the only thing people wanted in trucks was the lowest operating cost for a limited term of ownership, you might have a point. Brand bias plays a big role in these decisions and some folks like diesels because of their excellent driving characteristics. Also the length one intends to keep something plays a role. It's funny too, that people have been wanting a more economical diesel truck for a long time. One that has less towing capacity is fine for those folks because they just want a lighter duty truck that is more economical than a one ton. Now that lightness is being used against Ram as being less capable so it's not as good. Sheesh.

I don't see the Ecodiesel as a tough sell at all, except to a Ford loyalist. People have been asking for smaller diesels for years and the Eco-diesel seems like a very good engine. I like diesels and will avoid gas if I can. The Ford eco-boost is using very modern technology with it's direct injection and turbo on a gas engine. Good for them, but they have a long record of very poor designs that end up costing consumers a fortune because they don't hold up.

I recently bought a new Cummins because I think they are the best engines available in a pickup and they are towing monsters. It's more truck than I need most of the time and I'm perfectly happy to accept that it will cost more to operate than an Eco-boost.

Ford wasn't the only one with poor designs. Dodge has been very well noted for front end problems and recalls. Every brand has problems

 

[buickanddeere]

Wasn't there a batch of Cummins 6BT or ISB that would leak coolant through a split block on the passenger side ?

 

[roadhunter]

No bashing, just facts. I have my hands on better than a dozen trucks each week through my hanger. We all know the Eco Diesel can do 28 mpg or better as we all know the Eco Boost can do 24 mpg or better. Here are two trucks real world numbers and it simply shows that the diesel is a tough sell. Especially when it has less ability.

Using the numbers of these two real world trucks the diesel got 30% better economy. That wouldn't be bad if the fuel was the same price. Gas in my area is $1.74 per gallon while diesel is $2.49. At the end of this he day they both cost $.10 per mile.

Chris

This entire thread is a complete troll job. You have made so many ridiculous claims about Ford vehicles over the years is't not even funny. The 6.0 diesel that never breaks down and gets 24 mpg was a classic. Or how repairing aluminum body panels cost the same as steel.

Anybody who drives in the mountains at higher elevation while pulling a trailer can expect lower mileage than typical driving conditions. Pulling steep mountain grades is a mileage killer.

You simply start these threads because you are an obsessed ford fanboy who get his rock off trolling tractor forums about how superior Ford is. The big 3 all make great vehicles. All will get lower mileage pulling steep mountain grades at high elevations pulling a trailer. Your avi is a perfect example of you being a fanboy.

 

[roadhunter]

Ford wasn't the only one with poor designs. Dodge has been very well noted for front end problems and recalls. Every brand has problems

There is nothing that compares to the 6.0 Diesel disaster that cost so many people so much money. Not at GM or Dodge. But you are correct that they all have fairly minor issues.

Cummins engines are used in all sorts of vehicles and equipment. They are one of the best engines made . I wish Dodge would have used a little 4 cylinder Cummins instead of the foreign Diesel in the 1/2 ton.

 

[farm boy00]

There is nothing that compares to the 6.0 Diesel disaster that cost so many people so much money. Not at GM or Dodge. But you are correct that they all have fairly minor issues.

Cummins engines are used in all sorts of vehicles and equipment. They are one of the best engines made . I wish Dodge would have used a little 4 cylinder Cummins instead of the foreign Diesel in the 1/2 ton.

I know someone though who almost lost his life to a Dodge front and giving out on him. But yes ford's 6.0 had problems but they were great motors when bullet proofed