new vs old

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blue9249

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1950 allis wd
ok all, in the near future i am going to buy a 4wd, i am currently working and saving as i wont be purchasing anything but maybe a home in the near future with a loan. i am stepping up to a 4wd, and also at least a 3/4 ton, if i find a rocking deal i will go 1 ton but SRW. i have put some thought into this and have come up with a couple of ideas, first is i could buy a 06 ish truck with 150k ish miles on it with my budget which will be roughly 20 grand max. i would not have to do anything and i would have a fairly new truck with fairly low miles and be one of the last pre emissions trucks there are.

my other option is to buy an old idi diesel, put some money into the motor and truck to fix it up and have a older but still perfectly driveable truck, i would more than likely be fixing rust on the body and coating the frame and maybe body to keep rust away and after that take my available money and stick it into the motor to get some more power, nothing crazy, head studs intercooler upgraded turbo maybe a cam exhaust and a mild pump.

my question is ( and i know what forum this is so answers may be biased lol) is should i spring fora newer diesel that i can jump in an enjoy the luxuries or an older diesel that i can get for way cheaper and put some money into and enjoy the simplicity. i will be using the truck for hauling logs and firewood for myself, my parents and my grandma, i will also haul hay and livestock with it as well as my smaller pulling tractors. it will also be used as a driver when the weather is bad, slippery muddy ect, as i live way out in the country and am getting sick of throwing chains on and off my 92 f150. whatever vehicle i get will be a diesel, not only becuase of the towing i do but also because i work at a John Deere dealer and can get parts, oil, filters ect for at cost of the dealer so roughly 50 percent of what a normal customer would pay, becuase we do not deal with gas engines, much if at all the dealer does not have a connection for gas parts and therefore can not get them at a discount, which makes the gas and diesel parts cost very close to the same. luckily this means i also have the tools and skills to perform most if not all of the work on an older diesel

thanks for reading,
 
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I haven't had any luck on finding a good used diesel truck. Maybe I should stop buying tools and guns and increase my truck budget. My vote is to go used. Another plus is the old diesel trucks don't have emissions crap on them.
 
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I'm still driving my 83 ford, and love being able to EASILY work on it. I usually keep a fairly new car, but as for a work truck, I'll stick with my 83 until it costs to much to fix, and then I'll get my 89 running again lol.
 
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I know more about the Dodges with the Cummins so thats what I will discuss.

I own a early 2004, which is a 5.9 common rail. These trucks are not exactly the same but similar from 2003 to early 2007. They are mostly emission free, some had a cat on them. The good, they make good power, are fairly nice inside, not the most modern but overall a good truck with a good engine and transmission. The bad, they can be expensive to fix, injectors alone can be over 3k. This probably hold true for Chevy and Ford also.

Late 98 to 2002 Cummins. I've seen them called VP44 trucks also. Hard to explain, kind of a transition from the early indirect injection and the common rail. You can put a tuner on them to bump power. The VP44 pump is the weak point but a known problem and fairly easy to fix. Not as modern a truck, doesn't have the full 4 door as an option.

Pre 98 Cummins trucks. Very simple, pretty cheap to fix. You can probably replace all the injectors for the cost of 1 common rail injector. Not as modern a truck and the power is a lot less. As I recall, the early ones were rated at 165 hp.

When I was looking for my truck I kept an open mind. I was just looking for one that was in good condition mechanically. There are good years for all the makes. There are also some problem years for some of the trucks. Diesels also seem to command top dollar for good used ones. I've seen low mileage Cummins the same year as mine where they are asking over $30,000. If you have a $20,000 budget that should get you a nice truck if you shop carefully.
 
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The best buy for you is a 05 to 07 Ford 6.0. Yes, they have issues but are a easy fix. I see these trucks all the time in the $13,000 range and $5000 on top of that will build you one nice truck. 05 and newer only. 04 and earlier had more issues.

The most reliable truck of that era is a 06.5 to a 07 GM Dmax. That era had a LBZ motor. I would not touch anything with out a LBZ motor. 08 was a new motor and overall good but out of your price range. 05 and older had their own set of issues. The LBZ is the sweet spot. Problem is they are around $25,000 last time I looked and all DMax trucks lack the rugged solid front axle Ford and Dodge has.

The Rams are all pretty reliable. Rust and tranny issues are what plague them here but other than that the 5.9 is a legend and the 6.7 is just about as good.

Good luck on your search.

Chris
 
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25 years ago in 1990 I bought a well cared for 1985 3/4 Chevrolet Truck and immediately added tool boxes and equipment racks...

Use all the time for in town work... so far I have not touched the engine or drive train... except water pumps last 75k and starters 150k

305 V8 with Carburetor and 4spd auto...

Just starting to notice some surface rust at the top of the windshield... 30 years outside...

I do think you can find good value in the right used truck...
 
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For my money, look for a "late" '99 to 2003 F250/350 with the 7.3L...you may pay a tad more for the 7.3 but ask any Ford diesel tech...they'll tell you its the best diesel ever put in a pickup...also the reason I said late '99 is they changed the brake setup in the later ones from the earlier...seems to be better...my B-I-L has a Ram 3500 w/Cummins that he swears by as well. His is chipped, my '99 350 is stock and I pull a 24ft Gooseneck with it and get 13mpg hauling tractors with it..around 19-20mpg on the road empty. It only has 123K miles on it though....BobG in VA
 

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