VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean?

[Coyote machine]

VW CHOSE to abide to the rules they agreed to. It is NOT the EPA's fault that VW chose to cheat. I do not feel sorry that they got caught. With the amount of vehicles on the road these days, I enjoy the cleaner air that the EPA tries to achieve. I would not like to breath what Beijing residents do 24/7.

VW chose to TRY to cheat the regs set out by the EPA and failed, in the end result. They deserve exactly what they reap, and probably way more.
The air quality in most major cities was way, way worse back in the 1970 era than now, and if not for the EPA we'd all be choking to death like in China.
Industry of all kinds would not, and does not self police their toxic chemicals; GE, PCBs, Love Canal, toxic waste dumps, superfund cites, the list is long.
The EPA is government doing what they can to control those who without them would run rampant and further destroy the air we breath, the water we drink and the land we live on.
Rant against them all you want; and while doing so recognize that the death of the diesel engine in cars and small trucks may be what comes to pass. You don't have to like it, but you may/will have to live with it.

 

[Garandman]

I understand. I feel the same way about Cheney.

There's a shocker.

The 3.0L diesel is now being investigated.

We haven't heard anything about our Chevrolet Cruze turbodiesels, but they have a DEF system.

 

[MossRoad]

I hate the EPA! Let's go back to 1948 Pittsburgh....

 

[Coyote machine]

I hate the EPA! Let's go back to 1948 Pittsburgh....

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Let's not and say we did. :dance1:

Not sure what your point is? You hate the EPA? What are the pics intended to purport?

 

[JWR]

I hate the EPA! Let's go back to 1948 Pittsburgh....

Coyotte, Moss is just being sarcastic. Implies that the choice is to love the EPA or go back to the Pittsburgh 1948 environment. An obvious false dilemma.

Nearly all the outrages of Government, overreaching in almost every aspect they seep into, started out as an apparently valid good idea. So did EPA. They have degenerated into an out of control menace to the average farmer, the ordinary citizen and anyone else who gets in their way. Try to dig a ditch on your farm or use some creekbed gravel dug out with your front end loader on your own property. They think that is under their control. That's not enough; they want far more. Constantly pushing for expansion of their jurisdiction upstream to include every ditch & sometimes wet spot on your property. They clearly wish to shut down every coal burning power plant in the USA and frankly don't give a rat's butt if there is an alternative or how clean the power plants already are. Above all, they want no consideration of costs to citizens or of jobs they seek to abolish. Fine outfit. Utterly insidious and without checks and balances. No common sense at all. To view this EPA outrage as a choice between "Pittsburgh in 1948" (e.g. no regulations of any kind) and the current practice and attempted direction (everything belongs to them) is beyond absurd. Let's go back to common sense which means to start over with the EPA. I hate what they have become, not what they were intended to be.

 

[MossRoad]

Well, I have a creek on my property. And I have a wetlands that I can't touch. And I have soil maps of the property and I found plenty of gravel for my driveway outside of the wetland, so I'm just fine. And the creek is contaminated with cow feces and farm chemicals after heavy rains. And I'm a farmer of sorts. A tree farmer with a real farm number and everything. And there's a place on my property where nothing, and I mean NOTHING but only one type of strange looking grassy plant would grow in a perfect 60' circle for about 15 years due to the previous farmer over-spraying chemicals while he turned around a couple times with the sprayer on. And I've traveled through Gary, Indiana to Chicago several times a year every year for over 50 years through the largest steel producing area in the U.S., so I have a pretty good time-line of images in my head about what it was like back in the 60's when you couldn't see across the street through the smoke of the steel mills VS today, when you can see just fine. That's because of laws and government regulation, not because of self-imposed common sense by the steel industry. Just because we can't see the smoke from a coal plant doesn't mean its clean. Sure, its cleaner than it was, but that doesn't mean its clean enough yet. I'm not tree-hugger by any sense of the imagination. Personally, I'm pro nuclear power. Go figure?
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[ultrarunner]

Can't resist the EPA is a Johnny come lately...

CARB is where the leadership comes from and has always taken point...

Sorry, couldn't resist because my State is always the whipping boy...

I do worry when the envelope is pushed to far... the old Prado principal... you can clean up 80% of the problem for modest costs... the last 20% is where it gets expensive and other factors come into play...

California has been steadfast against Diesel passenger cars for a very long time... it was the super clean Diesels like VW advertised that changed this... at least in large part...

 

[om21braz]

1. Governments define the standards.
2. Governments define how vehicles will be tested.
3. Manufacturers design engines to pass the test.
4. Governments develop 'new tests' that 'have been under development for several months' and expect manufacturers to pass the new tests.

What's the problem?

Sounds like a scenario most any engineer in any discipline would be familiar with. Hitting a moving target - today too, "If I wanted it tomorrow I'd order it tomorrow."

I know we want the facts here and nothing but the facts - don't remember where I read it and cannot relocate it due to the forefront VW debacle, but somewhere I read the EPA is shooting for the diesels to produce cleaner air from the exhaust than goes in through the intake. Easy if you're the one making the directive than if the one having to actually make it work - under budget too I expect.

 

[mjarrels]

Local lawyers are taking out quarter page newspaper adds, you may be entiled to money!

mark

 

[Ford850]

I hate the EPA! Let's go back to 1948 Pittsburgh....

I don't even want to go to 2015 Pittsburg!

(Go Browns)