Hydraulic power being priority in a purchase.

[CDN Farm Boy]

The GC are nice little machines. The 2410/2610 are the predecessor to the 17xx models. Back when I was shopping (ended up with my B3300) I liked the GCs FAR better than the BXs.

As was mentioned, force is usually more important than the speed. Unless you are using it commercially, a few extra seconds here and there will never be noticed especially if you are not operating them both side-by-side for direct comparison.

For example, If you compare the available lift of the GC vs BX, there really isn't much comparison:
GC 870 lbs at the pin
BX 745 lbs at the pin

That 125 lbs extra lift on the GC is HUGE. I'd happily loose a couple extra seconds for that difference.

 

[roadhunter]

That's another topic. Some brands, or dealers, call them tlbs, others claim completely different classes for hp and weight etc.

Interesting. It's hard to tell what the difference is in that tractor and a regular (non TLB) version.

I think you are wise to be researching this. I had a bobcat 45 HP tractor and after doing some research I found that it did not offer enough flow or pressure to operate most skid steer attachments that required continuous flow. Skid steers run around 20 gpm at 2,000+ psi and it only ran like 7 gpm at 1500 psi. Being able to use attachments from walk behind skid steers such as a trencher would be really useful on a little tractor like what you are looking at.

One way to get higher flow from a small tractor operating a backhoe is to buy a backhoe with it's own hydraulic system and pump that hooks to the PTO. Those can give you significantly more flow and faster operation than using the tractor's hydraulic pump.

I love the idea of a compact TLB. I guess these woudl be the closest thing I've seen to one.

 

[murphy1244]

Kubota still makes a subcompact and a compact TLB.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

For example, If you compare the available lift of the GC vs BX, there really isn't much comparison:
GC 870 lbs at the pin & 920 at the bucket edge
BX 518 lbs at the pin & 745 at 500mm forward (bucket edge?)

something is wrong with your numbers. The pin numbers should be higher than bucket center numbers. (or did you pull roll back?)

flow is not a great way to guess speeds. Cylinder size, geometry,etc all make a huge difference that.
Kubota publishes speeds for most of their implements.

best way to do this process is get your butt in the seat and run some tractors. Spreadsheets are deceiving.

One way to get higher flow from a small tractor operating a backhoe is to buy a backhoe with it's own hydraulic system and pump that hooks to the PTO. Those can give you significantly more flow and faster operation than using the tractor's hydraulic pump.

almost never done any more. Most tractor hydraulic systems outflow the PTO pumps recommended for a given backhoe or other attachment.

 

[murphy1244]

"best way to do this process is get your butt in the seat and run some tractors. Spreadsheets are deceiving."

I tell all the newbies that and not many of them listen.

 

[2458n]

A bobcat usually has the high flow option available. You need it for the equipment like a bush hog. Get what you want going in - it gets expensive to bring things up to speed after you have purchased.

 

[roadhunter]

almost never done any more. Most tractor hydraulic systems outflow the PTO pumps recommended for a given backhoe or other attachment.

So you are saying that this tractor can push more flow than a PTO hydraulic pump?

My math comes up with a different answer. I see the ability to flow more than double that 5-7 gpm output with a PTO pump?? What am I missing?

 

[CDN Farm Boy]

something is wrong with your numbers. The pin numbers should be higher than bucket center numbers. (or did you pull roll back?)
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Oops. I got them backwards. Editing post.....

 

[CDN Farm Boy]

I love the idea of a compact TLB. I guess these woudl be the closest thing I've seen to one.
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Subcompact TLBs:
Kubota BX25
Massey GC xx10
Deere 1 series


Not much difference between a tractor with a subframe BH and a TLB. Sure, a true TLB is a bit heavier but I doubt there is much performance difference

 

[TSO]

Those Terramite units are actually pretty strong, much more so than the SCUT TLB's u listed