New truck suggestions

[ovrszd]

Haven't had to replace a track bar yet but when I do I'll put a thuren track bar on and not worry about it. I have had to replace the entire front end on an F350 twice and 3 times on an E350. Made me real happy when the ford dealership that sold me the trucks said the work bodies they sold with them were too heavy for the trucks and that they wouldn't warranty them.

Sounds like they were right.

I'm certainly not starting a brand war. Just basing my opinions on service data at our local dealership that sells both.

 

[Fordman1981]

Sounds like they were right. I'm certainly not starting a brand war. Just basing my opinions on service data at our local dealership that sells both.

Not starting a brand war either but why put a body on a truck sale it then say the body is too heavy and not warranty it. I didn't choose the body they were put on by the dealership. Have the same body on a ram 3500 with over 150k now and no issue. Just saying.

 

[Fordman1981]

To the op go and drive them all and pick the one you feel you like the best they all make good products. I just bought a Ram 3500 C&C because I'm getting really good service from ram right now. The 6.2 in the ford isn't bad it likes the upper RPMS a little too much for my taste. We had one Chevy 6.0 it's a good motor too. For me I'm staying gas for as long as diesels have DEF tanks.

 

[Green Power]

Body rusted out and traded it in on my current about to explode in rust truck. Maybe this should be a thread on the best way to setup a brand new truck to prevent rust after you drive it off the lot.

Take it straight to Line X and have the underside/ rocker panels coated, Put oil or fluid film on the underside 2-3 times a winter, wash off the salt with hot water after driving in salt... Those are my best geusses since i dont have to deal with it.

 

[Monster5601]

Are those #s hand calculated? Did you delete the DPF? I have not seen anyone get that high of fuel mileage with the emissions system in tact.

My pre-emissions Cummins had no problem hitting 20mpg but these new units seem to be sitting in the mid teens.

I'm using the EVIC, hand calculating is impossible because of my mixed driving between work travel and pulling the fiver on weekends. The numbers are close enough for comparisons and line up with the MPG numbers other Cummins owners are seeing (cumminsforum.com, rv.net). I know most don't trust the MPG numbers vehicles calculate and display but I recorded for a year, the EVIC mileage and my hand calculated mileage on my 2013 RAM 1500 and the result, the EVIC read 0.8371 MPG higher than hand calculations. I don't know how to calculate the error factor in hand calculating but the EVIC averages over time. The experts all say MPGs start with your foot. I don't make jack-rabbit starts and I do not have a lot of start/stop traffic.

You are living in the past, the new emission equipped diesels (since 2013) are getting excellent mileage equaling pre-emission diesels. I haven't deleted nor am I going to delete any of the emissions, I'm happy with the performance I'm getting and have a 120,000 mile 8 year bumper to bumper Chrysler warranty that covers the emissions system. I smile when I wash the truck and see the inside of the exhaust pipe is cleaner than the outside of the exhaust pipe. There is a lot to rediscover about the 2013 plus Cummins/RAM solutions at http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2013-general-discussion/

 

[Monster5601]

To the op go and drive them all and pick the one you feel you like the best they all make good products. I just bought a Ram 3500 C&C because I'm getting really good service from ram right now. The 6.2 in the ford isn't bad it likes the upper RPMS a little too much for my taste. We had one Chevy 6.0 it's a good motor too. For me I'm staying gas for as long as diesels have DEF tanks.

^^^^What he said.

I'm possibly looking at a new truck. Been a ford guy, but looking at all the big three. Full crew cab short bed 1 ton srw 4wd. Looking for engine opinions. Fuel economy of the gas engines and reliability of the newer diesels?
Currently own a 2005 f350 v10 in same configuration that I'm looking. Thanks, Nick

This thread is quickly going to what happened in the past and has nothing to do with current production and no one is answering your questions (I did give you MPG numbers). Ford is coming out with new SD's for 2017, RAM in 2019, and haven't heard anything from GM, that is if you can wait. As far as engine reliability of the newer diesels, don't really know yet. For Cummins, the new was introduced in MY13, so far so good.

 

[PsRumors]

I'm using the EVIC, hand calculating is impossible because of my mixed driving between work travel and pulling the fiver on weekends. The numbers are close enough for comparisons and line up with the MPG numbers other Cummins owners are seeing (cumminsforum.com, rv.net). I know most don't trust the MPG numbers vehicles calculate and display but I recorded for a year, the EVIC mileage and my hand calculated mileage on my 2013 RAM 1500 and the result, the EVIC read 0.8371 MPG higher than hand calculations. I don't know how to calculate the error factor in hand calculating but the EVIC averages over time. The experts all say MPGs start with your foot. I don't make jack-rabbit starts and I do not have a lot of start/stop traffic.

You are living in the past, the new emission equipped diesels (since 2013) are getting excellent mileage equaling pre-emission diesels. I haven't deleted nor am I going to delete any of the emissions, I'm happy with the performance I'm getting and have a 120,000 mile 8 year bumper to bumper Chrysler warranty that covers the emissions system. I smile when I wash the truck and see the inside of the exhaust pipe is cleaner than the outside of the exhaust pipe. There is a lot to rediscover about the 2013 plus Cummins/RAM solutions at http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2013-general-discussion/

Two things Cummins Forum is littered with, people stating the EVIC should not be trusted, and people complaining about their fuel mileage. Several rebut the fact that people are getting lower than touted fuel mileage but there are plenty of posts. I personally like fuelly much better than forums as that is real world, hand calculated and are not relying on any type of guesstimate.

4 million miles of tracking 2014 and up 6.7 liter RAM Cummins trucks. Very few trucks are above 18 with the majority of trucks below 18.

Ram 25 Mileage | Fuelly

That 120k mile warranty is great but what happens after? The DPFs fill and are around $3k to replace. I've seen DPFs full at 80k miles and last upwards of 170k miles. That can add significant upkeep costs to these trucks.

I'll stick by my statement, I would not buy a new diesel unless one is willing to delete the emission equipment. Your engine will be much happier for it.

Now, if I were going to buy a new diesel and not delete, it would be between a Ford or Dodge as they both have solid front axles. And between the two I would lean hevily toward the Dodge as they are easier to work on as there is more room in the engine bay.

For the record, I maintain 3 Dodge 4500 and 6 Fords that are mixture of 450s & 550s. All 2012 and newer. They all get loaded to capacity on a daily basis and worked hard.

 

[tcartwri]

Two things Cummins Forum is littered with, people stating the EVIC should not be trusted, and people complaining about their fuel mileage. Several rebut the fact that people are getting lower than touted fuel mileage but there are plenty of posts. I personally like fuelly much better than forums as that is real world, hand calculated and are not relying on any type of guesstimate.

4 million miles of tracking 2014 and up 6.7 liter RAM Cummins trucks. Very few trucks are above 18 with the majority of trucks below 18.

18 avg is pretty darn good actually.

 

[ovrszd]

18 avg is pretty darn good actually.

I agree.

Anytime you can get upper teens with a 7K lb brick going down the road you are doing well. Makes you wonder why cars don't commonly get 50 mpg??

 

[PsRumors]

18 avg is pretty darn good actually.

I agree.

Anytime you can get upper teens with a 7K lb brick going down the road you are doing well. Makes you wonder why cars don't commonly get 50 mpg??

But the average isn't 18, the majority are in the 16mpg range, which even at that isn't bad really.

Cars aren't getting better mileage due in part to the EPA. For OBDIII several manufactures presented they could get cleaner exhaust with better mileage without the catalytic converter but were told no, the cat would not be an option to be removed no matter the results.

When the cat was implemented carbs weren't very efficient and EFI was not very good. As EFI has progressed and the o2 sensors have become faster and more accurate, cars can become cleaner but part of the problem is the fuel mixture must be kept slightly rich to keep the cat at a temp to be efficient.

If the EPA would set a standard and allow the manufacturer to get there on their own, we would see much better fuel economy but as long as the EPA demands what type of equipment is required, we are stuck...to a point.

 

[ovrszd]

If the EPA would set a standard and allow the manufacturer to get there on their own, we would see much better fuel economy but as long as the EPA demands what type of equipment is required, we are stuck...to a point.

Especially in the Construction and AG worlds.

 

[ultrarunner]

Went through the same process and ordered the 2016 Diesel Super Duty... only time will tell if we decided right.

It does have DEF... some of my professional over the road truckers or OK with DEF... what do I know.

Also hoping this rendition of the Ford Diesel has addressed past issues.

2017 is new Super Duty roll-out... which means I would have to wait to at least 2018 or later as my experience from arbitration auto cases indicate the first year roll-outs are where most problems are found.

One thing that is still a concern is how everything is jammed under the hood... this is not my Grandfather's Diesel to be sure.

 

[Fordman1981]

Went through the same process and ordered the 2016 Diesel Super Duty... only time will tell if we decided right. It does have DEF... some of my professional over the road truckers or OK with DEF... what do I know. Also hoping this rendition of the Ford Diesel has addressed past issues. 2017 is new Super Duty roll-out... which means I would have to wait to at least 2018 or later as my experience from arbitration auto cases indicate the first year roll-outs are where most problems are found. One thing that is still a concern is how everything is jammed under the hood... this is not my Grandfather's Diesel to be sure.

My biggest issue with DEF wasn't the system itself or reliability of it. It's the hassle you have to carry a jug of DEF with you and a funnel and not have them make a mess in the cab. There doesn't seem to be a set amount of def trucks use. They say you either have one that uses a lot or you don't. Apparently the dealerships can't adjust that parameter. If it was like they say and you only had to fill the def tank at oil change intervals it wouldn't have been bad at all but we were having to fill the def tank every third tank of fuel on the ford diesel and every fourth tank or so on the ram. The dealerships told us not to use the at the pump def nozzles because that's what causes most of the def systems to fail from contaminated def and warranty doesn't cover that. I could go on with other things I don't like about def trucks but you get the point.

Your new truck is really nice and I hope it serves you well and hope you got a low use age def one. Who knows the def may not bother you at all we all get bothered and annoyed by different things and def is one of the things that gripe me.

 

[ovrszd]

Went through the same process and ordered the 2016 Diesel Super Duty... only time will tell if we decided right.

It does have DEF... some of my professional over the road truckers or OK with DEF... what do I know.

Also hoping this rendition of the Ford Diesel has addressed past issues.

2017 is new Super Duty roll-out... which means I would have to wait to at least 2018 or later as my experience from arbitration auto cases indicate the first year roll-outs are where most problems are found.

One thing that is still a concern is how everything is jammed under the hood... this is not my Grandfather's Diesel to be sure.

Congrats on your new truck. I'm slightly jealous. Okay, more than slightly....

My Son wrenches for a living, he's done major engine work on several of the major three diesels. On the Super Duty he lifts the cab and front clip.

Have you saw any pics of the new Super Duty??

 

[ultrarunner]

Did not know about not using DEF from the pump... one more thing to remember.

Usage does seem to vary greatly depending on load.

One thing that was stressed is not to fill the tank too full in freezing conditions as damage may occur... not a huge concern on the ranch as we never get a hard freeze.

Also paid extra for the extended Ford warranty...

Hoping for the best... the beast lists for as much as I paid for my first three homes combined and I live in the SF Bay Area!

 

[ultrarunner]

Congrats on your new truck. I'm slightly jealous. Okay, more than slightly....

My Son wrenches for a living, he's done major engine work on several of the major three diesels. On the Super Duty he lifts the cab and front clip.

Have you saw any pics of the new Super Duty??

The Dealer had a 2017 Brochure on the desk... did not see any on the showroom rack...

If memory serves it is styled more towards the F150

 

[ovrszd]

Got a friend that's a salesman, his record high is $67,800.

 

[ultrarunner]

I think the F150 would have covered all the bases... and that was how we started.

His last Ford truck was a 1978... so he waited 38 years for his dream truck... works very hard and hope he has great service from it.

Shopping was a bit of a pain... Dealer games and such.

Ended up buying local... where only the price and having to trade to get it was the issue... not all that many Diesels sitting on Dealer lots in the heart of the SF Bay Area...

When my brother spoke again with the truck manager who said no one could beat the price ... brother said not not exactly... it was because there were no games and local... the manager was surprised and we showed the deal a friend got in farm country and without asking the local Dealer came back and said OK... plus Ford had sent him a $750 certificate in the interim that cinched the deal.

I do think there is value in buying local when it makes sense...

 

[ultrarunner]

Got a friend that's a salesman, his record high is $67,800.

MSRP window sticker at $70,945

 

[ovrszd]

MSRP window sticker at $70,945

No wonder my '00 7.3L 4x4 Extended cab with 220K miles is worth $12K.

My buddy says he'll give me $12K anytime. So you know he'd sell it for $14K.

I can relate to the house deal, I paid $31K for a new house in '79 that I'm still living in.