I need an AR-15

[Code54]

Makes a great coyote or varmint rifle.

 

[k0ua]

For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would want an ugly black gun that really serves no sporting purpose. I own and shoot toms of firearms and not one black ugly gunn

Because they are a beautiful design, easily customized, a joy to shoot, the easiest to clean and service of any rifle, far easier than ANY commercial rifle with no military roots. Did I mention they are absolutely a hoot to shoot?

 

[5030]

Because they are a beautiful design, easily customized, a joy to shoot, the easiest to clean and service of any rifle, far easier than ANY commercial rifle with no military roots. Did I mention they are absolutely a hoot to shoot?

You obviously have a limited experience with a real rifle, one thats capable of accuracy (or can even shoot and kill) past 400 yards.

My opinion of a black gun is they are so popular because of the military / assault / tactical aspect, nothing more. They have been glamorized by the media. I'll put my 11 Savage accurized 338 Lapua up against your black gun, in fact, any black gun, anytime. I can slip in a 30 round mag and be accurate way past any range your black toy can shoot. Short tubed rail adorned black phospate rifles don't do it for me and I've never ever seen anyone hunt out west with one... probably because they cannot shoot distance.

 

[k0ua]

You obviously have a limited experience with a real rifle, one thats capable of accuracy (or can even shoot and kill) past 400 yards.

My opinion of a black gun is they are so popular because of the military / assault / tactical aspect, nothing more. They have been glamorized by the media. I'll put my 11 Savage accurized 338 Lapua up against your black gun, in fact, any black gun, anytime. I can slip in a 30 round mag and be accurate way past any range your black toy can shoot. Short tubed rail adorned black phospate rifles don't do it for me and I've never ever seen anyone hunt out west with one... probably because they cannot shoot distance.

I actually have quite a bit of experience with "real rifles" and black toys too! Many of our "black toys" will shoot 1 MOA, and some slightly better. O course now we are not talking about the $600 rifles either. But to dismiss all black rifles as inaccurate is a mistake.

 

[lostcreekranch]

You obviously have a limited experience with a real rifle, one thats capable of accuracy (or can even shoot and kill) past 400 yards.

My opinion of a black gun is they are so popular because of the military / assault / tactical aspect, nothing more. They have been glamorized by the media. I'll put my 11 Savage accurized 338 Lapua up against your black gun, in fact, any black gun, anytime. I can slip in a 30 round mag and be accurate way past any range your black toy can shoot. Short tubed rail adorned black phospate rifles don't do it for me and I've never ever seen anyone hunt out west with one... probably because they cannot shoot distance.

5030;

You have your opinion, that's great! Many of us have a different experience. That's great too!

My best friend, in late 1960's, was the M16 that was my constant companion for 3 1/2 years. Guess where this happened?

 

[k0ua]

5030;

You have your opinion, that's great! Many of us have a different experience. That's great too!

My best friend, in late 1960's, was the M16 that was my constant companion for 3 1/2 years. Guess where this happened?

Sunny Southeast Asia?

 

[dragoneggs]

For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would want an ugly black gun that really serves no sporting purpose. I own and shoot toms of firearms and not one black ugly gunn

Hey they don't have to be ugly. What color suits you?

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I will have to disagree on your 'no sporting purpose' comment. I think the AR-15s are likely the most versatile platform ever created and the vast majority of folks shoot for sporting purposes hence their popularity.

My only all black gun is a MP9mm. Doesn't come other than black AFAIK. Color has never been a deciding factor for me.

 

[RobertN]

AR in 6.5 Grendell does fine on 1000 yard. Know a few people who have bull barrel AR's shooting that distance.

Besides, if you're going to shoot a Savage, at least have one or more Savage 99's... Have two in 300 Savage. Need to find one in 250-3000...

You obviously have a limited experience with a real rifle, one thats capable of accuracy (or can even shoot and kill) past 400 yards.

My opinion of a black gun is they are so popular because of the military / assault / tactical aspect, nothing more. They have been glamorized by the media. I'll put my 11 Savage accurized 338 Lapua up against your black gun, in fact, any black gun, anytime. I can slip in a 30 round mag and be accurate way past any range your black toy can shoot. Short tubed rail adorned black phospate rifles don't do it for me and I've never ever seen anyone hunt out west with one... probably because they cannot shoot distance.

 

[sea2summit]

You obviously have a limited experience with a real rifle, one thats capable of accuracy (or can even shoot and kill) past 400 yards.

My opinion of a black gun is they are so popular because of the military / assault / tactical aspect, nothing more. They have been glamorized by the media. I'll put my 11 Savage accurized 338 Lapua up against your black gun, in fact, any black gun, anytime. I can slip in a 30 round mag and be accurate way past any range your black toy can shoot. Short tubed rail adorned black phospate rifles don't do it for me and I've never ever seen anyone hunt out west with one... probably because they cannot shoot distance.

Different rifles for different folks. I'm not a big fan of carrying a 338 through the woods looking for hogs and deer, suckers too heavy. FWIW I know someone that has taken an elk with a 14.5" 308 "black rifle" at over 650m which is respectable for any 308...ohh and she's out west. All of my "black rifles" will hold well under 1MOA and I'd be fairly confident in a little or no wind situation they would match your savage's accuracy to the 700-800m mark. But your comparing a 338LM to a 308 or 223 so obviously it will eventually pull away but dollar for dollar an AR is going to be just as accurate or more so than a savage.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Because they are a beautiful design, easily customized, a joy to shoot, the easiest to clean and service of any rifle, far easier than ANY commercial rifle with no military roots. Did I mention they are absolutely a hoot to shoot?

What is hard to get (as in reliably functional in piston form) is a 20" 22", or 24" AR15. I have Remington 22 pump with a 24" and it is curiously accurate at anything I can see and yet I mostly use a 18" .22 Henry with a red dot for dispatching (in my case) tree-killing varmints because I prefer an action that doesn't mess with aiming my next shot.

Meaning I dig the AR platform up to about 300 yards but only because they get silly expensive once past carbines. Past 300 yards and all OEMs seem to go for .308s and 20" in the .308 is consider long. On one hand, I get it, but on the other hand I'd like to be able to have 24" barrel to make shots easier in smaller calibers.