Off road diesel in pickup.

   / Off road diesel in pickup. #141  
I guess it is like selling bales of hay... several different sizes.
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #142  
If a guy shows up with short bed and I expected long bed, tell him no.

I expect an adult should be able to decide, and ask what size the bed is.

No one is forcing you to buy irregular sizes. Only buy it buy the cord if you want. It should be a free country. Sad you need the government to tell you what to do. But I dont.
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #143  
You are totally missing the point.

It's about having a uniform measurement system. Most everything you buy is based off a measuring structure.

Weight, volume, ounces, pounds, feet, sq ft, etc etc.

You want to sell wood, claim profit and expenses, pay your portion of taxes or claim a loss, and otherwise do things legit....you sell by the cord.

If you don't mind the risk of getting ripped off, or getting a truckload of wood that wasn't heaped to your expectations, then by all means order by the truckload, in which you have no idea just what you are paying per cord, and screw the guy trying to be legit and undercut the system.

I got no skin I. The game either way. I see tons of ads selling truckloads anywhere from $55-$90, and dumptruck loads from $250-$375. Likewise see many selling cords from $110-$195.

I can tell you, I sell an actual cord for $160, and sell all I have a desire to cut. And most are repeat customers. Often wonder why they don't buy the $110 or other cheaper "cords"
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #144  
Or they cut it in the start of the month and the third week they call it seasoned wood. Seasoned wood here is at least a year old to get it at below 20% moisture.
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #145  
You are totally missing the point.

It's about having a uniform measurement system. Most everything you buy is based off a measuring structure.

Weight, volume, ounces, pounds, feet, sq ft, etc etc.

You want to sell wood, claim profit and expenses, pay your portion of taxes or claim a loss, and otherwise do things legit....you sell by the cord.

If you don't mind the risk of getting ripped off, or getting a truckload of wood that wasn't heaped to your expectations, then by all means order by the truckload, in which you have no idea just what you are paying per cord, and screw the guy trying to be legit and undercut the system.

I got no skin I. The game either way. I see tons of ads selling truckloads anywhere from $55-$90, and dumptruck loads from $250-$375. Likewise see many selling cords from $110-$195.

I can tell you, I sell an actual cord for $160, and sell all I have a desire to cut. And most are repeat customers. Often wonder why they don't buy the $110 or other cheaper "cords"
You are missing the point. I don't think we need government intervention in every aspect of our life, to hold our hand.

If they want to sell it by the cord, that is a defined measure. It would be fraud to charge for a cord that wasn't a cord. But if the customer is willing to buy an irregular size that is sold as in irregular size, and everyone agrees on prices, I don't think we need government regulation. There is also potential for this to be cheaper, since there is less labor involved.

Also what does this have to do with the sellers income tax? Accounting works off assests and liabilities. His tax will be based on his profits and expenses. If cords appear any where on his taxes, it is more government involvement that we don't need.


Should we regulate the size of an apple or watermelon? If you don't the quanity or quality, you don't buy from the person again, same with most things in life.
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #146  
I guess it is like selling bales of hay... several different sizes.

Yep, and I learnt my lesson this past Winter (late August, for me)... We'd had a bad hay season in Tassie (one cutting is all that we get) and rounds were scarce for everyone, my usual supply had to refuse IOT feed his own stock & I understood. The 'horse community' came together and a supply was found in Sheffield (4.5hrs away); 40 rounds @ A$77 each, delivered. I ordered 20, which would see me through to the end of the year.

When he rucked up with 15 for me and 5 for a neighbour I was stunned to see that they were half-rounds! (and some were 3 years old!!!) I had to take them due to the shortage of hay throughout the whole State (we're an Island, astronomical prices to ship it from the mainland). I cancelled the last 5 rounds.

I asked the bloke why he baled his 'rounds' so small and he said that that was the size his regular customers wanted... because they don't have tractors to handle the big ones.

You live and learn, eh?
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #147  
You are missing the point. I don't think we need government intervention in every aspect of our life, to hold our hand.

If they want to sell it by the cord, that is a defined measure. It would be fraud to charge for a cord that wasn't a cord. But if the customer is willing to buy an irregular size that is sold as in irregular size, and everyone agrees on prices, I don't think we need government regulation. There is also potential for this to be cheaper, since there is less labor involved.

Also what does this have to do with the sellers income tax? Accounting works off assests and liabilities. His tax will be based on his profits and expenses. If cords appear any where on his taxes, it is more government involvement that we don't need.


Should we regulate the size of an apple or watermelon? If you don't the quanity or quality, you don't buy from the person again, same with most things in life.

You make it sound like the govt is intervening with guys selling firewood.

They dont. Im just saying that the law is on the books, and if people simply followed them, there wouldnt be any intervening of the govt. The law wouldnt even need to be on the books if people would sell based off a known qty.

I am not advocating for bigger govt. Quite the contrary.

But do like to know that when the pump registers a gallon of gas, that there is acutally a gallon going in my car.
Or when I buy a gallon of milk, that there is actually a gallon in there, and not 110oz but still being called a gallon.
I like to know that when they weigh my produce at the store, that their scales are accurate and not registering a pound for every 12 ounces
I want to know that if I buy a 12' roll of carpet, I am not going to get home and find it 3" too short on each side of the 12' room
I want to know that when I order 11yds of concrete, that I am getting 11 yds and not 9
I want to know that when I order 22 ton of stone, that I am getting 22t and not 19 ton.
I want to know that when I have a propane tank filled, that I am actually getting the gallons that I am billed for.
Same for natural gas meters, electric meters, water meters, etc etc etc

All of these examples and in one way or another handled by a govt. agency. Or dept of weights and measurements or something like that.

Same agency has oversight over selling firewood. Its to ensure you are getting what you pay for. A standardized way to quantify the amount of wood you receive, and for what price.

How do taxes come into play.....it determines weather you are a legitimate business operation, or just "bobby joe with pickup and a saw flying under the radar."

If you are a legitimate business, have employees, pay BWC, comply with OSHA, etc......why risk your business and fines selling wood in an un-measurable way?

If you are "bobby joe" example, you arent a business, so why would you care about doing things legally?

IMO, there are 3 types of people that sell wood by methods other than "cords"
1. Too stupid to know what a cord is
2. Too lazy to figure out how many cord your "thrown on load" is equal to. (you would only have to do that ONCE to know how much you haul, all future loads wouldnt need stacked and measured, as long as you load the same way)
3. Intentionally trying to fool people. A heaped load tossed on is less wood than a stacked level full load. But dont look like it to the average person.

In any case, none of those three are ones I want to do business with. If someone cannot tell me how many cord or fraction of, that they are delivering, that way I can compare prices and verify I received what was said, then I wont do business with them.
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #148  
You are missing the point. I don't think we need government intervention in every aspect of our life, to hold our hand.

If they want to sell it by the cord, that is a defined measure. It would be fraud to charge for a cord that wasn't a cord. But if the customer is willing to buy an irregular size that is sold as in irregular size, and everyone agrees on prices, I don't think we need government regulation. There is also potential for this to be cheaper, since there is less labor involved.

Also what does this have to do with the sellers income tax? Accounting works off assests and liabilities. His tax will be based on his profits and expenses. If cords appear any where on his taxes, it is more government involvement that we don't need.

What does the quanity have to do with you taxes? Profits and expenses. A guy selling by the pick up would still pay taxes.

This has nothing to do with weights and measures, if we agree I want a truck load.

If you want to know what you are getting, you should buy a cord, and it should be a cord. If I want a pick up load, that is my bussiness, not yours. Stay out of my business.

I think maybe you are sore because you have to put more work into measuring it.
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #149  
What does the quanity have to do with you taxes? Profits and expenses. A guy selling by the pick up would still pay taxes.

This has nothing to do with weights and measures, if we agree I want a truck load.

If you want to know what you are getting, you should buy a cord, and it should be a cord. If I want a pick up load, that is my bussiness, not yours. Stay out of my business.

I think maybe you are sore because you have to put more work into measuring it.

I already explained everything about the points you made, perhaps you didnt read them.

The point about taxes dont have so much to do with taxes itself, its about being a legitimate business, and conducting business in the right and legal way. Someone selling wood by the truckload (not a legal or recognized form of measurement) is probably not a legitimate business, thus not filing taxes on proceeds.

I dont put any work into measuring anything. I know how much my truck holds to the top of the side boards. I have a 4x8 trailer with 2' sides, I know its 1/2 cord stacked on. I cut and split til its full, and know how much is there, no measuring required.

Again, its about having a uniform and standard way to measure what you are getting. Its not a law that gets enforced without someone complaining about it, so continue as you are buying an unknown amount of wood, from an illegitimate business, a truckload at a time. I dont care. It only hurts the ones trying to do business the right way.
 
   / Off road diesel in pickup. #150  
I have only bought wood once in my life, a face cord.

Just because a guy is not measuring doesn't mean he is not paying taxes, same for a guy who does.

No matter the measure ,the guy has expenses and profits. Your logic is flawed. Just like when you compare this to a gallon of milk. He is not misrereprenting the quantity if sells it my the truck load.
 

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