How much rust can under-body spray stop?

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So my 2003 F250 is not going to pass inspection this year with frame rot among other things :thumbdown:. I'll have to replace it with another used 3/4 ton truck ASAP.

My plan had been to wait another year and import a very lightly used truck from Down South and then religiously undercoat it. That is not an option now and will have to look locally. My budget will also likely dictate a 4-8 year old truck. Around here that means some rust will already be present.

My question is how much rust can be halted without extensive prep work or even disassembly first? I'll go to a professional place to get it done. Before I moved Up North 6yrs ago I thought I knew what rust was. I had no clue how quickly it can eat a vehicle up!
 
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It's depressing that a 11 year old truck is rotted to the point where it is NFG. .. The chemicals that are being used on the roads are simply brutal. On both cars as well as the roads themselves
 
/ How much rust can under-body spray stop? #3  
So my 2003 F250 is not going to pass inspection this year with frame rot among other things :thumbdown:. I'll have to replace it with another used 3/4 ton truck ASAP.

My plan had been to wait another year and import a very lightly used truck from Down South and then religiously undercoat it. That is not an option now and will have to look locally. My budget will also likely dictate a 4-8 year old truck. Around here that means some rust will already be present.

My question is how much rust can be halted without extensive prep work or even disassembly first? I'll go to a professional place to get it done. Before I moved Up North 6yrs ago I thought I knew what rust was. I had no clue how quickly it can eat a vehicle up!


Those sprays can't do much to stop rust. Oil undercoating every year can slow rust down some, but you need to do a good job every year.

I used to use a mix of linseed oil and bar &chain applied with a syphon sprayer wand. Messy!
This fluid film stuff is showing up on all the counters lately. I've put down about $100 bucks worth on three different vehicles. I spray everything that's showing rust whenever "I'm under there" ;=) The FF doesn't seem to stay long on exposed surfaces.

I'm going back to the B&C oil this coming fall.
 
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I get mine sprayed at Krown Rust control every year. Get it sprayed during the hot summer months so it can soak in. It helps big-time.
 
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To answer the question there is nothing you can do to actually stop rust on a used vehicle.You can slow it down.Years ago rusty jones and ziebart offered undercoating guarantee's neither one is still around because of rust claims.Now there is a company selling a product called fluid film.I do not know much about this new product.There was (not sure if its still out there)a company selling an electronic system where you apply 2 patches one front one rear on your vehicle(has to be put on bare metal) and run wires from the patches to a controler.It is supposed to stop rust by keeping a low votage electical charge to the steel in your car.Theory is it takes moisture and air for rust and this was supposed to keep the air out.I have only seen 2 vehicles in my area with these and both still rusted.Up here in Maine they use calcium chloride on the roads in the winter.I have had to replace brake lines and or fuel lines on some vehicles 4 years old
 
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I think we need to be pro active up here with rust, and try to stop it before it starts.
 
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It takes a lot of work for rust delay/prevention.

A brief description of what I have done. Pressure wash the undersides. Maybe even twice. Use a sand blaster on any rusted supports etc. Stay clear of the frame an coated underside sheets. Wash again. Several coats of phosphoric acid. Spray paint twice. And for the finish mix roofing tar and kerosene and apply to the underside using the vacuum tube and pistol of the sand blaster. Do not worry about getting it on too thick. Oh, you should wear coveralls, very old boots, air mask if it fits under a full sandblast hood. Be prepared to turf any clothes and live outside for a few days.

Twenty year old truck that supposedly rusted out fifteen years ago. The frame and most of the sheet metal is good. The fender wells will need work this spring.ee

the exterior paint has not fared well though.
 
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I get mine sprayed at Krown Rust control every year. Get it sprayed during the hot summer months so it can soak in. It helps big-time.
+1 one on the Krown.From my research great rust proofing.I just had my 2016 dodge Ram sprayed with Krown time will tell if it was the correct choice.
 
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Salt has been taking heat for decades for what CaCl does to our cars/trucks year 'round. (NaCl is hygroscopic above ~78% humidity but CaCl is above ~20% humidity.

Ziebart was cakey and flakey, didn't stay on well. Rusty Jones was waxy & stayed on better.

I bought the FF u/coat kit with deluxe sprayer. That said, had I known how reasonably priced the Krown treatment is I would have opted for it instead. (gettin' too old to crawl under stuff ..)

Krown claims similar features/benefits of FF, so might be similar (meant as a compliment, btw, and thanks for turning us on to this promising product.) I did check it out. :thumbsup: (Might get away with bi-annual vs yearly touch-up if you're cheap like me.)

Stopping rust is one thing, making it look good after treatment perhaps a whole 'nother battle.
 
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CaCl and NaCl are both salts but you are right about the culprit.
Unfortunately, no Krown dealer any where near me.

I may end up actually looking at a NEW truck? I don't know.
 
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I read an artical a few years ago where they tested every thing available for rust protection and found that used motor oil sprayed liberally under the vehicle every fall after washing good was the best preventative. I was interested because I once ordered a new truck direct from the factory after picking it up from the lot went and had it sprayed with undercoating while I watched them do a thorough job and 3 years later I had a rust bucket.
 
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I read an artical a few years ago where they tested every thing available for rust protection and found that used motor oil sprayed liberally under the vehicle every fall after washing good was the best preventative. I was interested because I once ordered a new truck direct from the factory after picking it up from the lot went and had it sprayed with undercoating while I watched them do a thorough job and 3 years later I had a rust bucket.

I really don't like your answer. :eek:
 
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POR-15 needs a top coat. (Paint Over Rust) the conversion film is porous, and rust will form again if not sealed.

that is unless they have changed the chemistry. I first used POR-15 over 30 years ago.
 
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From years of doing body work I can say that "rust proofing" ie ziebart is the absolute worst thing anyone could do..Clogs drain holes and seals in the garbage once it starts to crack, and it does...While not environmentally correct, an oil and kero mix sprayed liberally and run it down a dusty road has been the most successful thing I've seen..

Fluid film might work but it would most likely cost a fortune and would be a mess far beyond the oil method IMHO.
 
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FF is much less messy than oil. the stuff dries somewhat. but not quite waxy. More like open chain lube.
 
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FF is much less messy than oil. the stuff dries somewhat. but not quite waxy. More like open chain lube.

Don't disagree, I use FF on machinery....Just once it's on something it's on it..Oil kinda settles down a bit while still somewhat messy...I'm a big FF fan by the way, just don't get it on clothes--Ask how I know :D

I wonder too if FF is "watery" enough to get in all of the nooks and crannies. I've never looked for a bulk version, I just use spay cans...If the bulk version is thin enough and cost effective, that may not be a bad approach...Not sure if brake clean etc removes up FF as I've never really had to deal with that.
 
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For the FF-curious, check out the video here showing the u/coat setup:

(Don't see much over-spray. Demo goes under the car at ~:55.)

Fluid Film Rust Protection

btw, I slather FF where needed on the tractors, trailers, and anything that spends much time outdoors.

I'll try the u/coat kit on my truck, but if my cars were worth saving I'd only be an hour or so from a Krown dealer.
 
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I worked in the auto body repair business all my life, and have lots of experience with this.

First, most people often confuse rustproofing, and undercoating. They are two completely different products.

Rustproofing, is a paraffin based product, for inner panels. It is not supposed to "dry".

Undercoating is an asphalt based product, designed for the bottom panels. A good quality undercoating, will eventually "dry", but remain pliable.

Vehicles generally have minimum levels of corrosion resistance inside, and underneath them. Though the use of galvanized sheet metal by most manufacturers, has helped greatly in reducing body rust, a properly performed rust proofing, and undercoating job, can in fact extend the life of most vehicles.

Having cut apart many hundreds of vehicles, I got to see the results of all this. And, the effect it had on the vehicles.

Some rust is the result of a manufacturing design, or process, and therefore cannot be prevented.

The use of a soft, pliable, foam filler, between inner and outer panels, by many manufacturers often causes rust through in certain climates. You cannot remove the foam, or stop the corrosion it causes, short of cutting the panel open. This is what causes the rust, around gas filler doors on many vehicles.

The problem with aftermarket rustproofing, lies in the the fact that most rustproofing companies, failed to properly train their employees, and seemingly had them under apply the products.

Their warranty's required annual return trips, (at an additional cost to the owner), to have the vehicle resprayed. During which time, additional material should have been applied to find spots missed previously. Most of the time, these were also seemingly done in a fraudulent manor.

Miss one of those annual return trips for a touch up, and the warranty was voided.

The result was too often, rustproofing was applied only where the holes were drilled, and plugs were. But, if you moved inside 6" past that, there would be nothing.

The drilled holes were never sealed properly, leaving capillary action to hold moisture around the plugs, and ironically, rust to actually form as a result of the rustproofing job.

In some cases, when a rustproofing company tried to do the job "right" they would apply so much material they would seal off drain holes. Again, actually causing rust.

Undercoating on the other hand, is more difficult to mess up. And, is clearly visible to the owner, upon inspection, so it is often done more properly.

Vehicles that are parked outside, in anything but dry climates, could benefit greatly from a good undercoating job.

If you elect to have the underside sprayed, tell your rustproofer, you will require them to put the vehicle on the lift, for your inspection, when you pick it up. Take a good flashlight, and look on top of the frame rails, and inside any openings.

On a used vehicle, it is important to have the underside clean, and of course dry, which is going to be your challenge. It doesn't have to be spotless. But, it does have to be free of mud, and dirt. And, any rust that is scaling, or flaking needs to be removed.

If I owned a vehicle, that has areas know to rot. Such as the tailgates, on one truck manufacturer in particular, I would either have those areas rustproofed, or rustproof them myself.

Body shop supply stores sell rustproofing in aerosol cans. It's the same stuff the rustproofers use, only thinner, so it will come out of a spray can. You can, with some minor disassembly, do a nice job rustproofing the bottom of the common rust areas, (which is all that really maters).

Just make sure you buy, rustproofing, and NOT undercoating for this job.

Aerosol rustproofing only comes in an amber color, and will cost you $15-$20 a can. Expect the counter person to show you a can that says "Undercoating" on it, and confidently tell you it's the same thing. :mur: Don't try to educate them, it's hopeless. Move to the next store, or order it from the internet.

Aerosol undercoating is of course, also available, for the underside. But, even the expensive stuff, is not as good as the professional products. It's more for looks, than protection.

Keep in mind these products have high odor levels for several months. I would wait until fall, if those odors offend you. Because, the hot weather accentuates the off gassing.
 

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