farm boy00
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You forgot grand rapids
How much rust can under-body spray stop?
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coobie
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Yes sir I did.Thanks for the reminder.
Copperhead
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Problem is, Palin never said she could see Russia from her deck! Snopes checked out this comment attributed to her, they said....
The basis for the line was Governor Palin's 11 September 2008 appearance on ABC News, her first major interview after being tapped as the vice-presidential nominee. During that appearance, interviewer Charles Gibson asked her what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia, and she responded: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska":
And that comment is true. I lived in Alaska, and yes, you can see Russian territory from Alaska across the Bearing Strait.
The basis for the line was Governor Palin's 11 September 2008 appearance on ABC News, her first major interview after being tapped as the vice-presidential nominee. During that appearance, interviewer Charles Gibson asked her what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia, and she responded: "They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska":
And that comment is true. I lived in Alaska, and yes, you can see Russian territory from Alaska across the Bearing Strait.
Rustyiron
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I would like to have a look at her back "deck":cool2:
k0ua
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Elizabeth Stamatina Fey is the person that says she could see Russia from her house. She made the start of her career by making fun of Sarah Palin, and has made millions from her subsequent fame. There is good money to be made in making fun of people.
Okay, for those who are interested, here are some photo's of an F150 bedside rotted out, due to the use of soft foam sealer, between the inner, and outer panels, during manufacture.
The first photo shows a close up of a piece of the foam, after it was dug out of this whole area.
The second photo, shows a hole, with the foam still visible inside.
This is a 2005. It was built more than 20 years after Toyota proved conclusively, that if you use this foam as a sealer between the inner and outer panels, it will rot out, in certain climates.
I was paid by Toyota to replace both quarter panels on many Camry's, back in the 80's. They they tried this trick, possibly first, and found it caused these issues.
Today, manufacturers still use this product, even though they have to know this can happen.
This is also what causes the quarter panels to rot out, around the gas doors on GM cars.
No amount of rust proofing seems to be able to stop this from happening. And, you can't remove this foam, without cutting it open.
Some may argue, it's a 2005? What do you expect? Well, the only rust through on this vehicle, is both bed sides. And, it's only where the foam is. So, what I expect, is for them to not use a product, that is known to cause the vehicle to rot. But, that seems to be asking too much.
I have also seen this happen on vehicles that were much newer.
This same foam is used to attach the outer door panels to the I beam, inside the door. That is usually about in the middle of the door. Because it's not at the bottom, moisture isn't trapped there, so it does not cause issues.
The first photo shows a close up of a piece of the foam, after it was dug out of this whole area.
The second photo, shows a hole, with the foam still visible inside.
This is a 2005. It was built more than 20 years after Toyota proved conclusively, that if you use this foam as a sealer between the inner and outer panels, it will rot out, in certain climates.
I was paid by Toyota to replace both quarter panels on many Camry's, back in the 80's. They they tried this trick, possibly first, and found it caused these issues.
Today, manufacturers still use this product, even though they have to know this can happen.
This is also what causes the quarter panels to rot out, around the gas doors on GM cars.
No amount of rust proofing seems to be able to stop this from happening. And, you can't remove this foam, without cutting it open.
Some may argue, it's a 2005? What do you expect? Well, the only rust through on this vehicle, is both bed sides. And, it's only where the foam is. So, what I expect, is for them to not use a product, that is known to cause the vehicle to rot. But, that seems to be asking too much.
I have also seen this happen on vehicles that were much newer.
This same foam is used to attach the outer door panels to the I beam, inside the door. That is usually about in the middle of the door. Because it's not at the bottom, moisture isn't trapped there, so it does not cause issues.
VW did the same thing, and every front fender will eventually rust through where this foam is attached to the sheet metal. Easy to change a front fender though...and cheap.
deezler
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The good news for VW owners is that they have a 12-YEAR rust warranty. I got my 2003 Jetta's front fenders replaced for free after 160k miles and 11 years of driving in Michigan. Beautiful.
Scooby074
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Ford foam is bad mojo. What were they thinking!!!?! Barely one step up from backyard "bodymen" using Mono to get a car through inspection. Not only is it dumb for corrosion purposes, it produces a nice toxic flame when burned while welding in patch pannels:laughing:
Zerk
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Some of that may be an over bearing government. My truck from 1999 is still on the road, and I am in the rust belt. But the government doesn't stick its nose under my truck.
Some places in Canada are experimenting with beat juice, not red. It will work at lower temps then salt.