Anyone actually flipped a HST CUT pulling from the 3pth?

[4570Man]

A 2wd tractor can't flip over by pulling from the loader, and any tractor can't flip over from pulling below the rear axle.

 

[paulfun9]

So the paper did say he was going up a hill? But, the paper did not say he was pulling something?

DO NOT MISINTERPERATE! WHat I was told by the police and what was printed in the newspaper are two different things! I happen to know the police officer as I said before. He is a much younger member of our extended family who spent lots of time around us when he was young so he stops when he gets out this way to say hello. From him I got the info of what happened in a short version and what was printed in the newspaper was even less info. At the time I didn't bother to ask for details as I didn't know the victim other than a brief conversation when he first moved out this way at the local gas station when he pulled in to fuel up his tractor which was on a trailer at the time while I was fueling my international on the other pump. Now if you want me to rewrite my post to include every exact word used in the paper and quote every exact word used by my relative I can but to me its just not worth it to have to be that precise when trying to convey simple basic information that was passed in conversation between two people when the end result is still the same.

So no the paper did not say he was going uphill or pulling something, nor did it specify the brand of tractor let alone the model or type of gearing! So with that I would be forced to believe that most people who read about a tractor accident would not get full details from the paper but be more inclined to believe rumors that were started by someone who assumes they knew what happened but didn't even have as much info as I did to begin with. We all know how rumors are and your questioning of my posts shows just how much people try to guess at things and in most cases don't get them right.

A good example of this is a motorcycle accident that happened out here a few years back. I personally witnessed it and know exactly what happened but all the locals have told me time and again what happened as they are surely informed about things and they know everything he was doing wrong but sadly not one of them has gotten it right yet. Remember I said I was there and witnessed it but I hadn't told my personal account to anyone except the investigating officer and what they printed in the paper did not give enough details for anyone to make an assumption of what happened or even if the operator indeed did do something wrong or not but yet all the locals have figured it out and are giving everyone else the scoop no matter how wrong they are! SO my point is if your counting on the news paper or the local community to be informed you might want to second guess that opinion because in most cases you will get 10 different stories and none of them will be right.

 

[bluebirdacres]

A 2wd tractor can't flip over by pulling from the loader, and any tractor can't flip over from pulling below the rear axle.

Really???

 

[SPYDERLK]

A 2wd tractor can't flip over by pulling from the loader, and any tractor can't flip over from pulling below the rear axle.

Why not? :

I have not read all posts so somebody already said this. The pivot point of the tractor is where the tires meet the ground (it is not the center of the axle). Therefore the lower is the hitch point (tow bar) the less likely is possibility of backward flipping. Now look at the geometry of pulling from tow bar versus the 3 point. If the front wheels lift from the ground the end of the tow bar goes lower (it is situated farther back behind tractor pivot point) and thus decreasing possibility of flipping. If the tow bar touches the ground the rotating force is zero). 3 point hitch does the opposite it will rise allowing the tractor to flip.

 

[4570Man]

Really???

How is it going to happen? If you are pulling from the loader with a 2wd tractor as soon as the rear wheels start to lift they loose traction. A 4wd tractor can flip over from pulling from the loader. I have lifted the back wheels before, but luckily that was all that happened. How is a tractor going to flip over if your pulling below the axel?

 

[CalG]

Wow. Still nothing. Maybe some of the 'chicken little' warnings will stop?

Probably not. Humans are incredibly bad at assesing risk.

Luke

We humans are incredibly capable of assessing perceived risk. Like flying, or hang gliding,

'As we get into our automobiles and drive to the grocery.....

We all know someone who has perished in an auto wreck. Accepted mortality...

 

[TomSeller]

I've been to plenty of accidents where the driver needing to mash the brake accidentally mashed the throttle instead. Then they swear up and down there was a problem with the car/tranny/brakes etc but the end result was the wrong pedal was pushed because go figure we're all human and we all make mistakes. I can see a tractor operator hammering down on the hydro go pedal accidentally - when things don't go as planned people panic and then reactions can be completely erratic.
.

There is a lot of truth to this. I had a deer jump out in front of me once and for whatever strange reason I stomped on the throttle rather than the brake. I missed the deer but danged if I can figure out why I did that to this day.

 

[TomSeller]

The real problem with asking operators if they've flipped their tractor is that a good proportion, (?majority), of those who have done it did not live to fill out your survey form! And, of those who did survive many wouldn't talk about it. And of itself the few who would talk about it, half are still trying to get their shorts cleaned.

Next week we will have a survey on who has accidentally shot themselves in the head.

Reminds me of when someone drops off a teleconference.... Invariably someone asks "Who dropped off the call?" expecting the person to respond.

 

[CalG]

Tom

You bring up a reality. we can not tell what we will do in an urgent situation. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

I ride motorbikes, On Thursday I was travelling a surface street in our small town in the area of the highway exchange. Traffic was backed up in the travel lane, but open to the right hand lane entrance to the hghway on ramp. Fine with me, I'm going that way! UNTIL the fellow in the on- coming lane turns left in front of me. (There is a name for the wreck usually associated, "SMIDSY", "Sorry Mate, I didn't See You)
At any rate, with less than 4 feet till impact, I had "Instinctively" (fortunately?) grabbed the front binder to the point of skid, and stomped the rear brake. The loss of front traction nearly put me down. IF I had followed my training and practice, I would have applied front brake progessively until the suspension squatted, then followed with full brake application to limit the skid. But as mentioned, It is hard to say what one will do in the "OH! ****" moment.

 

[Redneck in training]

How is a tractor going to flip over if your pulling below the axel?

Easy. If there is enough traction it could flip if you pull from a point vertically below the axle. The pivot point is the contact of the wheel with ground not the center of the axle. If you pull from draw bar the danger is diminished due to the fact that the bar extends way behind the pivot point. If the front wheels start lifting the end of the bar goes closer to the ground shortening the imaginary lever that is trying to rotate the tractor. It is self balancing system.Go to youtube and search for tractor pull. They pull with front lifted. How much the front lift depends on mass of the front of the tractor and geometry of the draw bar.