California

[California]

Most of those who built California left long ago. HS

BS.

My ancestors were all here before there was a Transcontinental Railroad, ie arrived by 4 month wagon train or one branch walked across the Isthmus of Panama to connect on this side. Another branch via Oregon Trail while California was still Mexico.

They homesteaded, worked in the Gold Rush, lumber, etc. Next generation and subsequent figured out the real profits were in selling newcomers stuff they needed. Land mostly, lumber, hardware, newspapers, education.

Not a single one has left. :thumbsup:


I think you're talking about the kind of people who are dissatisfied wherever they go. We see a lot of them come, go, badmouth that which they never understood.

 

[houstonscott]

BS. My ancestors were all here before there was a Transcontinental Railroad, ie arrived by 4 month wagon train or one branch walked across the Isthmus of Panama to connect on this side. Another branch via Oregon Trail while California was still Mexico. They homesteaded, worked in the Gold Rush, lumber, etc. Next generation and subsequent figured out the real profits were in selling newcomers stuff they needed. Land mostly, lumber, hardware, newspapers, education. Not a single one has left. :thumbsup: I think you're talking about the kind of people who are dissatisfied wherever they go. We see a lot of them come, go, badmouth that which they never understood.

Not a single has left, good stay there! Please stay there... My family arrived from Switzerland on August 29, 1739, on the good ship Samuel, into Philadelphia, after barging down the Rhine to Rotterdam. We all have a story. This man a non-immigrant, here prior to becoming a nation, here at founding. HS

 

[jerrybob]

It'll soon be legal everywhere and the gubberment should never have messed with it in the first place. To my way of thinking they have no right to tell people what to do, what to take, what to eat and not eat etc. etc. etc. If a junkie what's to kill himself, fine let him, it's nobody else's business. As long as he knows the downsides up front, fine, sit down and shut up. Why should we pay and just create more crime in the process? It's idiotic, that much has been proven beyond a doubt already. People need to mind their own business and let others be as long as their toes aren't being stepped on.

I agree.......we got lots of alcohol and cigarette junkies already.........a little weed ain't anything worse. Do what you want.....just don't hurt me or someone else with your choice.

 

[jerrybob]

Just think, if anyone could grow their own if they wanted it, all of those problems would vanish. As Reagan said "Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." Also "Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." Get government out of drugs and the drug problem will solve itself.

The war on drugs is job security for tens of thousands of government employees........politicians will never address the issue.

 

[jerrybob]

True... which is how it is in my city too.

I need a permit to remove a tree except for Eucalyptus... the permit fee is refunded for dead trees.

Up here....we call that logging.......I just dropped 5 alder and 4 doug fur last week.....no permit required. Glad I no longer live in Calif.

 

[ultrarunner]

I needed to take out a hazardous Walnut tree behind a duplex... it dropped a large branch in a windstorm catching the roof gutter.

In order to remove the tree I had to pay for a permit... think it was $40 at the time and the city sent all my neighbors a copy of my application and placarded the neighborhood as to the period for open comment... plus a visit from the city aborist...

When I mentioned the high cost I was told the single application fee could cover as many as 5 trees...

It took several weeks to get the go ahead.

In Washington I had several large firs taken out... it was less in cost than the single Walnut.

Here is the current application and it is now $68

http://www.evergreentreecare.net/PDF/Oakland_Permit.pdf

 

[mark02tj]

Not a single has left, good stay there! Please stay there... My family arrived from Switzerland on August 29, 1739, on the good ship Samuel, into Philadelphia, after barging down the Rhine to Rotterdam. We all have a story. This man a non-immigrant, here prior to becoming a nation, here at founding. HS

Interesting. Is this your family?

No, I'm not stalking you! :laughing: As a kid, I lived in Germany and took several day cruises on the Rhine. I never really thought about it going into Switzerland and also terminating in Rotterdam. So I Googled it and saw that link and this map.

 

[dragoneggs]

I needed to take out a hazardous Walnut tree behind a duplex... it dropped a large branch in a windstorm catching the roof gutter. In order to remove the tree I had to pay for a permit... think it was $40 at the time and the city sent all my neighbors a copy of my application and placarded the neighborhood as to the period for open comment... plus a visit from the city aborist... When I mentioned the high cost I was told the single application fee could cover as many as 5 trees... It took several weeks to get the go ahead. In Washington I had several large firs taken out... it was less in cost than the single Walnut. Here is the current application and it is now $68 http://www.evergreentreecare.net/PDF/Oakland_Permit.pdf

You still might want to move back here to the great PNW. I hear you on the property taxes though. Gorgeous this week!!! I'm burning the rest of my clearing done two years ago. Free burn permit good for a year, but I imagine a Kitsap county burn ban will be in place by the weekend so I'm working hard. The window between your brush and stumps being dry enough and the surroundings not too dry to risk it.

 

[ultrarunner]

I might be making a quick trip up next week... all depends on how the showings go.

$1000 a month property tax is the tough nut to crack.

Being on well water, septic and having the option of wood heat means not having a lot of the typical costs...

In California the water bill is about $70 per month BEFORE a drop of water flows...

The big saving grace is Prop 13 which treats every transaction independently... matters not if someone were to buy the home next to me for a million dollars... my taxes are based on what I paid for my home... not what my neighbor paid for theirs.

There have been a lot of changes since I bought in Thurston County... wetland setbacks and land use... my neighbor has a meadow that looks very pastoral... never would imagine that my land use has changed dramatically because my neighbor has a meadow...

 

[houstonscott]

The war on drugs is job security for tens of thousands of government employees........politicians will never address the issue.

What is the issue that politicians will never address. HS