Any Thoughts on This and Implications? Other States Could Follow?

[jlgurr]

There you go talking manipulated data again.

The Mistake of Only Comparing US Murder Rates to "Developed" Countries | Mises Wire

It's the only way libs can attempt defense of their political leanings....

 

[IslandTractor]

With all due respect and no malice intended, you sir can speak for your self!

I too am from Massachusetts and am not fine with the now even more ridiculous gun laws in this state. They are a blatant violation of second amendment rights.

I did speak for myself and for the majority of voters in MA. If you think the majority support your dissident view, why did the legislature pass the bill in question and why did Romney sign it???? No problem having a different view but at least acknowledge that yours, not mine, is the minority viewpoint in MA.

 

[mbrule]

I did speak for myself and for the majority of voters in MA. If you think the majority support your dissident view, why did the legislature pass the bill in question and why did Romney sign it???? No problem having a different view but at least acknowledge that yours, not mine, is the minority viewpoint in MA.

I do acknowledge that, does not make it right. And I simply asked you not to speak for all of us in Mass.

 

[IslandTractor]

Island Tractor,

I'm hoping you could do me a favor. I've seen at times that people argue about things that they actually agree on. They argue because they have different definitions of terms. Can you please do what I've NEVER had done and answer simply what is an "assault weapon." I'm not big into guns, but Cuomo encouraged me to get my permit. I was also surprised when I took in a very old 22 to be repaired. I was told it was considered an assault weapon by NY and need to be modified or registered.

It would take a committee of a hundred lawyers to hash out a textual definition of "assault weapon" and we all know that it would be imperfect. On the other hand, a dozen of your relatives would give a dozen different descriptions of your grandmother too. I betcha they would all still recognize her. An assault weapon is one whose primary purpose is to kill humans. They were designed for war. I wouldn't count any weapon designed or produced before WW2 and give the Germans credit for the first true modern assault rifle but I would agree that is a bit arbitrary (see 100 lawyers above). The market has developed knock off weapons to sell to civilians. I believe it was the Israelis who developed the first assault pistol type weapon. Those knock offs and auto pistols are still assault weapons to anyone with a brain. Even your grandmother would say so.

 

[IslandTractor]

I do acknowledge that, does not make it right. And I simply asked you not to speak for all of us in Mass.

Agree, never intended to imply that there was no dissent in MA.

 

[dodge man]

I recently did some reading on the affects of the strict gun laws and gun buy backs that were inacted in Australia a few years ago. From my undertstanding, the program was a failure, and they admit only about 15% of the guns were turned in. They had a low murder rate and they still do. My understanding is that change in the laws had no real affect on lowering the murder rate but of course there is now a black market for firearms. Also, I've never visted any place where people were "running around with assault weapons" except Mexico. I saw AK47's all over the place, of course only by government soliders and police.

 

[jlgurr]

I recently did some reading on the affects of the strict gun laws and gun buy backs that were inacted in Australia a few years ago. From my undertstanding, the program was a failure, and they admit only about 15% of the guns were turned in. They had a low murder rate and they still do. My understanding is that change in the laws had no real affect on lowering the murder rate but of course there is now a black market for firearms. Also, I've never visted any place where people were "running around with assault weapons" except Mexico. I saw AK47's all over the place, of course only by government soliders and police.

I wonder how Wagtail feels about the Aussie confiscation. He lives there...

 

[IslandTractor]

I recently did some reading on the affects of the strict gun laws and gun buy backs that were inacted in Australia a few years ago. From my undertstanding, the program was a failure, and they admit only about 15% of the guns were turned in. They had a low murder rate and they still do. My understanding is that change in the laws had no real affect on lowering the murder rate but of course there is now a black market for firearms. Also, I've never visted any place where people were "running around with assault weapons" except Mexico. I saw AK47's all over the place, of course only by government soliders and police.

What is your reference? What I have read suggests that the vast majority of guns were turned in for starters. And, they had a dramatic drop in multiple shooting incidents. Their gun homicide rate was already trending down and low to begin with but their homicides in multiple shooting incidents dropped from 107 (1984-1996) before the ban to 16 (1996-2014) since the ban. There were an additional twenty or so deaths after the ban related to fire bombing incidents. Still, I'd hardly say that a drop from 107 deaths in 12 years to 16 deaths over 18 years can be called a "failure". List of massacres in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[MossRoad]

BAZINGA !!!

No, those are illegal...

 

[MarkF48]

I did speak for myself and for the majority of voters in MA. If you think the majority support your dissident view, why did the legislature pass the bill in question and why did Romney sign it???? No problem having a different view but at least acknowledge that yours, not mine, is the minority viewpoint in MA.

No you didn't.......

I'm not sure if these documents are up to date.....
Massachusetts Approved Weapons Rosters

I'm assuming if it isn't the list of approved (such as an AR15 copy), then this would what the AG is going after(?)