Winco PTO Generator

[newbury]

Could be any combination of reasons. The least of which is the fact this is a cheap Chinese gen.

My water heater is an old 50 gal Rheem with two 4500 w elements running on a 30 amp breaker. I imagine they both run till it reaches temp.

I purchased and connected the day after the hurricane so all proper supplies were bought out. I had to rig it and back feed through the 30 amp dryer circuit.. Will get a proper switch mounted when parts are available. In the meantime I have to keep the main breaker manually turned off while connected and running.

Either way my 19 pto hp is undersize for this unit so power will be limited.

Perfect excuse for another bigger tractor!

 

[TractorGuy]

I've had my 12KW for since 2012, but have only tested it a few times.


I've got it, know how to use it but don't believe I need to run it every few months like my other "fueled" generators.

Before I bought it my research seemed to show they were tops in quality.

Gad they've become expensive.

How loud is the gearbox on your winco?

This cheap Chinese unit sounds like a thrashing machine but hasn't changed level after 9 hours of intermittent operation. I am going to change oil in it today and see if it has any metal is in it.

 

[newbury]

How loud is the gearbox on your winco?

This cheap Chinese unit sounds like a thrashing machine but hasn't changed level after 9 hours of intermittent operation. I am going to change oil in it today and see if it has any metal is in it.

Not loud at all.

Any chinese equipment that has chinese oil in it should have the oil changed before using, even cans of oil. I've had and read of so many pieces of equipment that they ship with the cheapest poorest "oil" available.

 

[TractorGuy]

Not loud at all.

Any chinese equipment that has chinese oil in it should have the oil changed before using, even cans of oil. I've had and read of so many pieces of equipment that they ship with the cheapest poorest "oil" available.

LOL, this one came without oil in it. I filled it with Valvoline gear oil before starting, ran it 11 hours, and changed it. The manual said to change at 25 hours then every 300. I was worried it was thrashing itself to pieces but the oil had no signs of metal in it. I do think they may have filled and test run it before shipping. It had a few drops on the plug when I removed it and a few tenths on the hour meter. It is pushing some oil out of the vent but I measured what I drained out and it filled a quart container so it isn't loosing more than I could keep up with. Having to run my tractor at 3600 RPMs to maintain 60 hz. 3200 RPM is my normal PTO speed so I'm having to run wide open.

 

[sixdogs]

Not loud at all.

Any chinese equipment that has chinese oil in it should have the oil changed before using, even cans of oil. I've had and read of so many pieces of equipment that they ship with the cheapest poorest "oil" available.

Same with anything that has "grease" on it like smaller rolling cabinet type wheels. The grease looks like Crisco and is useless. I couldn't figure out why the wheels wouldn't work until I took it apart and saw the "grease". Who could think this is a good idea?

 

[Garandman]

Same with anything that has "grease" on it like smaller rolling cabinet type wheels. The grease looks like Crisco and is useless. I couldn't figure out why the wheels wouldn't work until I took it apart and saw the "grease". Who could think this is a good idea?

Most of their stuff is shipped with preservative, not grease.

 

[sixdogs]

Most of their stuff is shipped with preservative, not grease.

On an inner bearing not intended to be dissembled, you would think an end user would expect grease. :laughing:

 

[TractorGuy]

Perfect excuse for another bigger tractor!

That's exactly what my wife said this morning. God I love that woman!

 

[vsteel]

I have a propane furnace and water heater, sump, well, freezers, one basic newer A/C and the normal stuff. as noted, my 10k/12k surge seems to have enough power. I'd like to buy a used one at an auction but am concerned about THD and my electronics. The old ones seems to have a high number and even the new Winco 25K is 8% THD. I don't know what level is acceptable but I hear 5% or less THD is what you want.

So, because the 15K Winco has less than 5%THD and seems to be enough power, that's what I figured on getting. Please offer any advice.

Clean power is a huge deal, especially with todays cpus in things like furnaces, ovens and refrigerators. The old generators make me nervous because 30 years ago power quality wasn't such a big deal. Heating elements and electric motors can take some rough power and still survive, maybe not as long but still survive. People talk about voltage a lot but they forget THD (Total Harmonic Distortion). There flip side is today's electronics being globally sourced is voltage/frequency many times is secondary, modern power supplies are designed to handle 100-150hz and 50-50hz and when properly deigned will have a 10% safety margin on top of that.

Clean power is defined as less than 6% total harmonic distortion, above that the power quality isn't considered safe for electronics. Lower is always better with THD, your power can't be too clean or too perfect.

 

[pmsmechanic]

Until you can purchase "another bigger tractor" a switch installed that would cut out the top water heater element while on generator power would let your little tractor off the hook a bit. The only down side is that it would take longer to heat the water.