Just bought first tractor and got ripped off

   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #101  
I'd try to get your money back. Since you've got a loader, MMM and a bush hog it isn't that unlikely. Worst case scenario you could part it out.
 
   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #102  
I'd still investigate coercing the seller into taking it back for what he sold it to you for and calling it even with him. You've got an electronic trail of what he told you VS what you actually got. "AS IS" or not, that's probably considered fraud if he told you one thing, and it wasn't true, regardless of if you signed a paper.

On the other hand, if you decide to keep it, 1/4 of one quart is 8oz. That is a large enough amount to trace exactly where its leaking from very easily with dye tracer from AutoZone.
A/C Pro C Pro / 1 oz. engine and transmission dye 374- Read1Reviews onA/C Pro #374

Clean the thing completely off with engine degreaser and scrub brushes and power washer. Add that dye to the tranny fluid, run it for 10 minutes in the evening when its dark. Shut it off and put a black light on it. The dye will fluoresce under the black light and you can then see exactly where its coming from and then determine how bad the leak point(s) really is(are). Then you can see if it just pinholes or an actual crack, etc...

That's what I'd do first, if you can't get the guy to buy it back even-steven.
 
   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #103  
It might be worth taking him to small claims court just for the heck of it. While you did buy "as-is" the seller was also deceptive in his selling that to you and not disclosing the relevant info that caused you to make your decision. Small claims court could very possibly go in your favor and many guilty people with iron clad alibis have paid. The mere threat of a wild card judge can cause a settlement or payment. Just a thought. And you probably have to spend less than $100 to file and have him served.

Many a scofflaw has settled after the trauma of being served a summons to spear in court. While he may view you as passive, he knows the judge is not and he could wind up paying a lot or reversing a transaction. A summons will get his attention.
 
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   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #104  
Is fully functional. Not sure how long. It leaks about 1/4 of a quart of hydraulic oil a day.

So, about 1/2 pint a day or a cup full ... heck I loose that much just unhooking the rear remote hose's ... use it and keep an eye on the fluid level.
 
   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #105  
So, about 1/2 pint a day or a cup full ... heck I loose that much just unhooking the rear remote hose's ... use it and keep an eye on the fluid level.

I just purchased hydraulic oil last night at TSC.
From the OP's loss estimate, that is about 42 cents worth of oil per day,,,
HECK, many people spend more than that on a cigarette,,, and they can not only smoke one per day,,,

I guess all things are relative??
 
   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off
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#106  
I'm contacting a lawyer this morning. But if that doesn't work do yall think $6,000 is a fair price for the tractor as is with no implements.
 
   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #107  
I agree you should get a lawyers advice. The previous owner did defraud you by not disclosing previous weld repairs and acknowledged that fact to you in writing after you purchased. You have the paper trail. The lawyer should be able to send him a letter forcing him to refund your money or he will be sued for fraud.
If this does not work out I doubt you would be able to sell it to someone else in its present condition other than for parts. Since you know about the weld repairs you would have to disclose that or you would be the one being sued by the next owner.
 
   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #108  
I'll say it again. You're in VA. VA has Consumer Protection Laws. Misrepresenting condition of an item is not excused by "As is". There was a material fault that was known and not readily visible and was not disclosed.

Virginia Consumer Protection Act

ァ 59.1-200. Prohibited practices.

A. The following fraudulent acts or practices committed by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction are hereby declared unlawful:

1. Misrepresenting goods or services as those of another;

2. Misrepresenting the source, sponsorship, approval, or certification of goods or services;

3. Misrepresenting the affiliation, connection, or association of the supplier, or of the goods or services, with another;

4. Misrepresenting geographic origin in connection with goods or services;

5. Misrepresenting that goods or services have certain quantities, characteristics, ingredients, uses, or benefits;

6. Misrepresenting that goods or services are of a particular standard, quality, grade, style, or model;

7. Advertising or offering for sale goods that are used, secondhand, repossessed, defective, blemished, deteriorated, or reconditioned, or that are "seconds, " irregulars, imperfects, or "not first class, " without clearly and unequivocally indicating in the advertisement or offer for sale that the goods are used, secondhand, repossessed, defective, blemished, deteriorated, reconditioned, or are "seconds, " irregulars, imperfects or "not first class";

8. Advertising goods or services with intent not to sell them as advertised, or with intent not to sell at the price or upon the terms advertised.

In any action brought under this subdivision, the refusal by any person, or any employee, agent, or servant thereof, to sell any goods or services advertised or offered for sale at the price or upon the terms advertised or offered, shall be prima facie evidence of a violation of this subdivision. This paragraph shall not apply when it is clearly and conspicuously stated in the advertisement or offer by which such goods or services are advertised or offered for sale, that the supplier or offeror has a limited quantity or amount of such goods or services for sale, and the supplier or offeror at the time of such advertisement or offer did in fact have or reasonably expected to have at least such quantity or amount for sale;

9. Making false or misleading statements of fact concerning the reasons for, existence of, or amounts of price reductions;

10. Misrepresenting that repairs, alterations, modifications, or services have been performed or parts installed;

11. Misrepresenting by the use of any written or documentary material that appears to be an invoice or bill for merchandise or services previously ordered;

12. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, using in any manner the words "wholesale, " "wholesaler, " "factory, " or "manufacturer" in the supplier's name, or to describe the nature of the supplier's business, unless the supplier is actually engaged primarily in selling at wholesale or in manufacturing the goods or services advertised or offered for sale;

13. Using in any contract or lease any liquidated damage clause, penalty clause, or waiver of defense, or attempting to collect any liquidated damages or penalties under any clause, waiver, damages, or penalties that are void or unenforceable under any otherwise applicable laws of the Commonwealth, or under federal statutes or regulations;

13a. Failing to provide to a consumer, or failing to use or include in any written document or material provided to or executed by a consumer, in connection with a consumer transaction any statement, disclosure, notice, or other information however characterized when the supplier is required by 16 C.F.R. Part 433 to so provide, use, or include the statement, disclosure, notice, or other information in connection with the consumer transaction;

14. Using any other deception, fraud, false pretense, false promise, or misrepresentation in connection with a consumer transaction;

15. Violating any provision of ァ 3.2-6512, 3.2-6513, or 3.2-6516, relating to the sale of certain animals by pet dealers which is described in such sections, is a violation of this chapter;

16. Failing to disclose all conditions, charges, or fees relating to:

a. The return of goods for refund, exchange, or credit. Such disclosure shall be by means of a sign attached to the goods, or placed in a conspicuous public area of the premises of the supplier, so as to be readily noticeable and readable by the person obtaining the goods from the supplier. If the supplier does not permit a refund, exchange, or credit for return, he shall so state on a similar sign. The provisions of this subdivision shall not apply to any retail merchant who has a policy of providing, for a period of not less than 20 days after date of purchase, a cash refund or credit to the purchaser's credit card account for the return of defective, unused, or undamaged merchandise upon presentation of proof of purchase. In the case of merchandise paid for by check, the purchase shall be treated as a cash purchase and any refund may be delayed for a period of 10 banking days to allow for the check to clear. This subdivision does not apply to sale merchandise that is obviously distressed, out of date, post season, or otherwise reduced for clearance; nor does this subdivision apply to special order purchases where the purchaser has requested the supplier to order merchandise of a specific or unusual size, color, or brand not ordinarily carried in the store or the store's catalog; nor shall this subdivision apply in connection with a transaction for the sale or lease of motor vehicles, farm tractors, or motorcycles as defined in ァ 46.2-100;

b. A layaway agreement. Such disclosure shall be furnished to the consumer (i) in writing at the time of the layaway agreement, or (ii) by means of a sign placed in a conspicuous public area of the premises of the supplier, so as to be readily noticeable and readable by the consumer, or (iii) on the bill of sale. Disclosure shall include the conditions, charges, or fees in the event that a consumer breaches the agreement;

16a. Failing to provide written notice to a consumer of an existing open-end credit balance in excess of $5 (i) on an account maintained by the supplier and (ii) resulting from such consumer's overpayment on such account. Suppliers shall give consumers written notice of such credit balances within 60 days of receiving overpayments. If the credit balance information is incorporated into statements of account furnished consumers by suppliers within such 60-day period, no separate or additional notice is required;

17. If a supplier enters into a written agreement with a consumer to resolve a dispute that arises in connection with a consumer transaction, failing to adhere to the terms and conditions of such an agreement;

18. Violating any provision of the Virginia Health Club Act, Chapter 24 (ァ 59.1-294 et seq.) of this title;

19. Violating any provision of the Virginia Home Solicitation Sales Act, Chapter 2.1 (ァ 59.1-21.1 et seq.) of this title;

20. Violating any provision of the Automobile Repair Facilities Act, Chapter 17.1 (ァ 59.1-207.1 et seq.) of this title;

21. Violating any provision of the Virginia Lease-Purchase Agreement Act, Chapter 17.4 (ァ 59.1-207.17 et seq.) of this title;

22. Violating any provision of the Prizes and Gifts Act, Chapter 31 (ァ 59.1-415 et seq.) of this title;

23. Violating any provision of the Virginia Public Telephone Information Act, Chapter 32 (ァ 59.1-424 et seq.) of this title;

24. Violating any provision of ァ 54.1-1505;

25. Violating any provision of the Motor Vehicle Manufacturers' Warranty Adjustment Act, Chapter 17.6 (ァ 59.1-207.34 et seq.) of this title;

26. Violating any provision of ァ 3.2-5627, relating to the pricing of merchandise;

27. Violating any provision of the Pay-Per-Call Services Act, Chapter 33 (ァ 59.1-429 et seq.) of this title;

28. Violating any provision of the Extended Service Contract Act, Chapter 34 (ァ 59.1-435 et seq.) of this title;

29. Violating any provision of the Virginia Membership Camping Act, Chapter 25 (ァ 59.1-311 et seq.) of this title;

30. Violating any provision of the Comparison Price Advertising Act, Chapter 17.7 (ァ 59.1-207.40 et seq.) of this title;

31. Violating any provision of the Virginia Travel Club Act, Chapter 36 (ァ 59.1-445 et seq.) of this title;

32. Violating any provision of ァァ 46.2-1231 and 46.2-1233.1;

33. Violating any provision of Chapter 40 (ァ 54.1-4000 et seq.) of Title 54.1;

34. Violating any provision of Chapter 10.1 (ァ 58.1-1031 et seq.) of Title 58.1;

35. Using the consumer's social security number as the consumer's account number with the supplier, if the consumer has requested in writing that the supplier use an alternate number not associated with the consumer's social security number;

36. Violating any provision of Chapter 18 (ァ 6.2-1800 et seq.) of Title 6.2;

37. Violating any provision of ァ 8.01-40.2;

38. Violating any provision of Article 7 (ァ 32.1-212 et seq.) of Chapter 6 of Title 32.1;

39. Violating any provision of Chapter 34.1 (ァ 59.1-441.1 et seq.) of this title;

40. Violating any provision of Chapter 20 (ァ 6.2-2000 et seq.) of Title 6.2;

41. Violating any provision of the Virginia Post-Disaster Anti-Price Gouging Act, Chapter 46 (ァ 59.1-525 et seq.) of this title;

42. Violating any provision of Chapter 47 (ァ 59.1-530 et seq.) of this title;

43. Violating any provision of ァ 59.1-443.2;

44. Violating any provision of Chapter 48 (ァ 59.1-533 et seq.) of this title;

45. Violating any provision of Chapter 25 (ァ 6.2-2500 et seq.) of Title 6.2;

46. Violating the provisions of clause (i) of subsection B of ァ 54.1-1115;

47. Violating any provision of ァ 18.2-239;

48. Violating any provision of Chapter 26 (ァ 59.1-336 et seq.);

49. Selling, offering for sale, or manufacturing for sale a children's product the supplier knows or has reason to know was recalled by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. There is a rebuttable presumption that a supplier has reason to know a children's product was recalled if notice of the recall has been posted continuously at least 30 days before the sale, offer for sale, or manufacturing for sale on the website of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. This prohibition does not apply to children's products that are used, secondhand or "seconds";

50. Violating any provision of Chapter 44.1 (ァ 59.1-518.1 et seq.) of this title;

51. Violating any provision of Chapter 22 (ァ 6.2-2200 et seq.) of Title 6.2;

52. Violating any provision of ァ 8.2-317.1;

53. Violating subsection A of ァ 9.1-149.1; and

54. Selling, offering for sale, or using in the construction, remodeling, or repair of any residential dwelling in the Commonwealth, any drywall that the supplier knows or has reason to know is defective drywall. This subdivision shall not apply to the sale or offering for sale of any building or structure in which defective drywall has been permanently installed or affixed.

B. Nothing in this section shall be construed to invalidate or make unenforceable any contract or lease solely by reason of the failure of such contract or lease to comply with any other law of the Commonwealth or any federal statute or regulation, to the extent such other law, statute, or regulation provides that a violation of such law, statute, or regulation shall not invalidate or make unenforceable such contract or lease.

1977, c. 635; 1979, c. 304; 1981, c. 205; 1983, c. 173; 1986, c. 432; 1987, cc. 462 to 464; 1988, cc. 24, 534; 1989, cc. 689, 703; 1990, c. 584; 1991, cc. 300, 605, 608, 630, 654; 1992, cc. 278, 545, 768; 1993, cc. 455, 760; 1994, cc. 261, 400, 655; 1995, c. 10; 1998, c. 848; 2000, cc. 880, 901; 2002, cc. 217, 897; 2003, cc. 800, 1003; 2004, cc. 784, 790, 798, 817; 2005, cc. 269, 303, 640, 861; 2006, c. 399; 2008, cc. 294, 791, 842; 2009, cc. 321, 359, 376, 699, 700; 2010, cc. 477, 713; 2011, c. 615; 2014, cc. 396, 459; 2016, c. 591.
 
   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #109  
VA also has lemon law for tractors and farm equipment ... but only applies to new items. Still, you have protections under the VA Consumer Protection Act. A Lemon Law attorney should be well versed in the Consumer Protection. It won't cost you anything (but time) to call a few folks and ask questions.

Consumer Protection
File a Consumer Complaint - Info
 
   / Just bought first tractor and got ripped off #110  
It might be worth taking him to small claims court just for the heck of it. While you did buy "as-is" the seller was also deceptive in his selling that to you and not disclosing the relevant info that caused you to make your decision. Small claims court could very possibly go in your favor and many guilty people with iron clad alibis have paid. The mere threat of a wild card judge can cause a settlement or payment. Just a thought. And you probably have to spend less than $100 to file and have him served.

Many a scofflaw has settled after the trauma of being served a summons to spear in court. While he may view you as passive, he knows the just is not and could wind up paying a lot or reversing a transaction. A summons will get his attention.

Plus if you win he has to pay all the fees. It's in his best interest to just return the money. You have leverage, you need to apply it! :)
 

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