FEL how long 'should' bucked remain up when parked?

[k0ua]

Richard, no one is contending that the FEL arms do not drop over time. They all do to one extent or another unless some sort of valve like a needle valve is put in line to eliminate the flow of the oil back to the control valve. All we are contending is that the leak down and drop of the FEL arms are not due to leaky piston seals because for that to occur then the rods would have to be pushed into the cylinders, and for that to happen the oil inside the cylinders have to go somewhere.

The place the oil goes is back down the hoses and thru the control valve back into the tank. Or in the event of leaky rod seals that let the oil fall out onto the ground or a leaky hose or leaky connections. In any case the oil must go somewhere, and it CANNOT EVER NEVER NEVER NEVER flow from the cap side past the piston seal and into the space on rod side of the cylinder. That is a physical impossibility no matter how badly the piston seal fits into the bore or even if the piston is present at all.

That is all we are saying..

 

[CalG]

Richard, no one is contending that the FEL arms do not drop over time. They all do to one extent or another unless some sort of valve like a needle valve is put in line to eliminate the flow of the oil back to the control valve. All we are contending is that the leak down and drop of the FEL arms are not due to leaky piston seals because for that to occur then the rods would have to be pushed into the cylinders, and for that to happen the oil inside the cylinders have to go somewhere.

The place the oil goes is back down the hoses and thru the control valve back into the tank. Or in the event of leaky rod seals that let the oil fall out onto the ground or a leaky hose or leaky connections. In any case the oil must go somewhere, and it CANNOT EVER NEVER NEVER NEVER flow from the cap side past the piston seal and into the space on rod side of the cylinder. That is a physical impossibility no matter how badly the piston seal fits into the bore or even if the piston is present at all.

That is all we are saying..

And you know what?

You are correct! ;-)

 

[ovrszd]

Hey! I already posed that question! The topic then turned to the weather, in Ohio ......;-)

In post #65, Murph asked me "Get any snow today"?

In post #68 I Replied to Quote back to him saying "Nope. Iowa is gonna get hammered this weekend. We may get a dusting. Just cold here today".

In post #69 you Replied to Quote of my post #68 asking "So what did you learn?".

This is when I cut the line and let you go.

In post #70 I Replied to Quote of your post #69 saying "I learned that if you expect less snow you need to live farther South".

Now 50 posts later you are circling the waters wanting that hook in your mouth again.

No worries here.

 

[ovrszd]

Richard, no one is contending that the FEL arms do not drop over time. They all do to one extent or another unless some sort of valve like a needle valve is put in line to eliminate the flow of the oil back to the control valve. All we are contending is that the leak down and drop of the FEL arms are not due to leaky piston seals because for that to occur then the rods would have to be pushed into the cylinders, and for that to happen the oil inside the cylinders have to go somewhere.

The place the oil goes is back down the hoses and thru the control valve back into the tank. Or in the event of leaky rod seals that let the oil fall out onto the ground or a leaky hose or leaky connections. In any case the oil must go somewhere, and it CANNOT EVER NEVER NEVER NEVER flow from the cap side past the piston seal and into the space on rod side of the cylinder. That is a physical impossibility no matter how badly the piston seal fits into the bore or even if the piston is present at all.

That is all we are saying..

I agree.

Nowhere in this entire thread can you produce a single comment I've made that would say otherwise.

And you can leave my name on the "Not Correct" list. I like it there.

 

[CalG]

This is when I cut the line and let you go.

In post #70 I Replied to Quote of your post #69 saying "I learned that if you expect less snow you need to live farther South".

Now 50 posts later you are circling the waters wanting that hook in your mouth again.

No worries here.

It's starting to smell fishy

 

[sixdogs]

I got lost five pages ago and don't have the depth to understand it. When it's all lathered out can someone post a Cliff Notes version so I can understand better?

 

[ovrszd]

It's starting to smell fishy

Yes it is. And once again a very simple question asked by a member has turned into a discussion that has little to do with the original question. Kind of reminds me of the "Wrestle with a Pig" parable. I apologize to the OP for allowing myself to get dragged into the mudhole.

 

[CalG]

I got lost five pages ago and don't have the depth to understand it. When it's all lathered out can someone post a Cliff Notes version so I can understand better?

Cliff Notes:
If your boom won't hold position, suspect leakage at the valve. Leakage around the cylinder piston sealing rings don't really come into play when the cylinder rod is being compressed into the cylinder.

 

[ovrszd]

I think the "derail" of this thread happened when the discuss turned from the title subject to definitions.

Take a look at this picture. Are the cylinders you see confined or not. Please just answer "YES" or "NO". No lengthy clarifications please. You might have to add a couple periods to make your response long enough that the system will accept it.

 

[CalG]

Yes it is. And once again a very simple question asked by a member has turned into a discussion that has little to do with the original question. Kind of reminds me of the "Wrestle with a Pig" parable. I apologize to the OP for allowing myself to get dragged into the mudhole.

I just don't tolerate poor observations and half truths being passed off as information...
It's a weakness I have, the desire for accurate information and advice. That is a problem for some folks.
I'm working on it.