buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or?

   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or? #51  
I'm also new to the thread...

I'd take an MX any day over a Grand L. MX is for work, a 1980's technology Landcruiser. Grand L is a 2017 Lexus. Both superb but I'd take the tougher simpler MX. Put the $100/month into implements instead.

I noted in your first post you were talking about a 4n1 bucket. I think that is a mistake. 4n1 buckets are like Swiss Army knives. If you can only have one bucket then fine but it doesn't do anything particularly well. It is heavy and expensive compared to a standard bucket and a separate standard grapple (probably 60" single lid for the MX5200). I own both a 4n1 and a grapple. Grapple is five times as efficient as the 4n1. You cannot dig roots with a 4n1. You can only carry a fraction of the debris you could cram into a standard grapple too. The standard bucket will also hold more dirt/sand etc than an equivalent width 4n1 and weigh a lot less too so will have greater net load capacity. The only reason for a 4n1 IMO is if you are a contractor working at a distant site and can only transport one all purpose bucket. If you are working close to your barn then it is always worthwhile just driving back and changing implements. A standard bucket is part of the initial purchase and costs only $500 or so. An excellent grapple for the MX would be an Everything Attachments compact wicked 60" single lid for about $1600 or so. A 72" 4n1 will set you back over $3000. Use the savings to get a set of forks and tree boom for the FEL. (I would note too that I use a Kioti DK40se which is about the same weight and even stronger loader than the MX5200. I use a light duty 48" single lid grapple that weighs about 300lbs and is still functioning well after ten years of abuse clearing land of trees and rocks and debris. DON'T buy a "big" grapple!)

BTW, I have nothing against Kubotas except that they are expensive (and no, it isn't that they are better). If you are on the same side of the Mississippi River as Dave's Tractors, I would suggest a field trip. He sells a great brand (Mahindra) and is himself a very straight shooter. An equivalent HP/size Mahindra will save you $3-4K over Kubota in my experience (same is true of equally good Kioti and LS tractors if there are dealers around). I also wouldn't be concerned about having a nearby dealer. I was also once a noob and bought a tractor from a dealer 300 miles away. Tractor has never been back to any dealership. Cell phones, UPS/FedEx and a few wrenches is all I've needed to keep my Kioti running perfectly for ten years (and I'd never owned a diesel before).
 
   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or? #52  
I agree with Island. When I bought my Workmaster 50 back last year I only got the 72" bucket. I was patient and scored a nice set of CID 48" forks off Craigslist for $350 and later added a grapple and third function valve. I financed part of the tractor purchase but purchased the grapple, third function hydraulic valve and forks with cash. Saved a considerable amount of $$$.

The pallet forks and grapple are as useful to me as the bucket. I usually have equal time with all three attachments. A 4n1 is a useful tool but heavy and will reduce your lift capacity. My grapple is only 450# and 72". It is light duty but fine for my purposes.
 
   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or?
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Island Tractor, I agree with you. Thanks to you and the guys on this site who have shown me the light regarding the 4in1 bucket! - which I will no longer look in to. A set of grapples would be much better. So, you recommend a 60" over a 72" grapple? Okay, I will definitely consider the 60" then.

Turbys, I will also get a set of forks as it has been highly recommended. :)
 
   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or? #54  
mopar, you have received some great advice. I'll add two quick notes. First, we have a new MX5800, with just 12 hours on it. We really like it. Second, we have the luxury of having both a 4n1 bucket and a grapple. I keep the 4n1 bucket on almost all the time because of its versatility. However, I have thought that having a standard bucket (which I do not) has some definite advantages, as has been noted above. When you sum it up, IMO, if your choice is between a 4n1 bucket, on the one hand, and a standard bucket and a grapple, on the other hand, I would go with the standard bucket and grapple.
 
   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or? #55  
Island Tractor, I agree with you. Thanks to you and the guys on this site who have shown me the light regarding the 4in1 bucket! - which I will no longer look in to. A set of grapples would be much better. So, you recommend a 60" over a 72" grapple? Okay, I will definitely consider the 60" then.

Turbys, I will also get a set of forks as it has been highly recommended. :)

The 60 is the largest I would ever consider. The 72 is only useful, IMO, for something like construction (cleaning up debris with a skidsteer) or hauling cut firewood. To be honest, if I were buying a MX5200 (again, not that different from my Kioti DKse in weight or loader capacity) I would get an even smaller grapple. I currently have a 48" grapple and it does everything I need. It has advantages in digging over a 60 (more concentrated force) and is lighter (greater net lift capacity) and cheaper (more beer money). I think the grapple I would buy if I had to do it again (which I don't as my 48 is going strong at age 13 including 10 years on the DKse) I would get the ETA-SLRG-54 Single Lid Wicked Root Grapple Lightweight Strong Large opening It is 54" which is the narrowest they make otherwise I'd get a 48. Very solid grapple, fair price, excellent quality. You will never "outgrow" that grapple.

And, using the $$$ you don't spend on a big fat grapple or 4n1, in addition to the single lid grapple, I second the idea of a forks set (not bucket forks). They cost about $500 and while you won't use them nearly as much as the bucket or grapple, they are invaluable for moving big things. You can also stick a spade on them and use the forks to dig trenches or holes if you don't have a backhoe (Google Quickspade). I also find a tree boom (about $350) very useful as a sort of small "crane" attachment. We use it largely to lift a swimming float in and out of the water over a seawall. Couldn't do that with any other implement.
 

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   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or? #56  
Island Tractor, I agree with you. Thanks to you and the guys on this site who have shown me the light regarding the 4in1 bucket! - which I will no longer look in to. A set of grapples would be much better. So, you recommend a 60" over a 72" grapple? Okay, I will definitely consider the 60" then.

Turbys, I will also get a set of forks as it has been highly recommended. :)

Mopar, Have you figured out my user name?

Dodge Charger!

Getting back to tractors.

if you do something like this wit 3Pt pallet forks you could have forks for front and back of the tractor. I'm surprized the MX5200 has such a low rating on the 3Pt hitch.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/372240-3pt-stuff-your-loader.html
 
   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or? #57  
No disagreement on MX being a good tractor and cheaper than a Grand L, but it is not tougher, or more of a "workhorse" than a comparable GL. I sat my old L5030 by an MX5100 and they are essentially the same machine except for the front wheels/tires. One will not "outwork" the other.

Check Tractor Data, an MX is not an M, just go try an M5660.
 
   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or? #58  
No disagreement on MX being a good tractor and cheaper than a Grand L, but it is not tougher, or more of a "workhorse" than a comparable GL. I sat my old L5030 by an MX5100 and they are essentially the same machine except for the front wheels/tires. One will not "outwork" the other.

Check Tractor Data, an MX is not an M, just go try an M5660.

As I was the one who compare the two on "toughness" I guess I should reply. I don't mean that the Grand L isn't as capable. I was focused more on where the $$$ are spent. The MX is all basic necessities like a Toyota truck. The Grand L has lots of "Lexus" features. MX has an HST like all other tractors over the past 20 years, the Grand L has a fancier HST. I guess my main point was simply that the MX will do all the work the Grand L can do but at a lower purchase price. To switch analogies, MX is the Suburban, Grand L is the Escalade. Both will get you to the destination with similar capacities etc.

It is an MX not an M but the M's are really utility not CUT sized as I understand it. The MX is very much like the Kioti DKse in size and capacities.
 
   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or?
  • Thread Starter
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Mopar, Have you figured out my user name?

Dodge Charger!

Getting back to tractors.

if you do something like this wit 3Pt pallet forks you could have forks for front and back of the tractor. I'm surprized the MX5200 has such a low rating on the 3Pt hitch.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/372240-3pt-stuff-your-loader.html

yes I knew your user name right away! VERY nice Charger you have! I have a '68 Barracuda Fastback I'm restoring/modifying with a 408ci stroker and A833 4 speed. I also have a '70 Dodge Dart I was building, with a 372" (baby stroker) with a small B&M 162 blower, and a 4 speed. But my projects are in the barn now, and I'm more interested in getting this tractor and fixing up this property. I'll get back into the car stuff later, it'll burn ya out....and drain your wallet. lol

as i have found, tractors will also drain your wallet. lol
 
   / buying 1st first tractor, L4701 or mx5200...or?
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#60  
You should really look at a Massey 2706, Kubota is a very good tractor, but the MX5200 is to small and the L4700 is way too small. Size weight and HP, Plus HST available.

I'd really go to a Massey 2635 for the HP and weight. (not HST)

Search TractorHouse.com | Used Tractors For Sale: John Deere, Case IH, New Holland, Kubota.

Hey Mike, and everyone else, I was able to get ahold of the Massey ferguson dealer today. He finally emailed me a quote for the MF 2706E.

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