Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

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It doesn't really matter if you believe in climate change or not, in the next 5-10 years you're going to see prices drive where it makes economic sense to drive electric. Cleaning up pollution/CO2 is just a nice side effect :).

No we will not see prices substantially rise in the energy sector because we're swimming in a sea of oil and oil reserves. What we may see is something of a shift in the types of energy we consume.

 
   / Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.
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Here's an interesting article. It was written as investor research. (Note for the conspiracy enthusiasts, this wasn't written as advocacy :) ). It is the primary report cited in several investor-advisor columns this week.

Here are a few excerpts, please read the original before critiquing this.

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UBS Evidence Lab Electric Car Teardown Disruption Ahead?

UBS's Q-Series products reflect our effort to aggressively anticipate and answer key investment questions, to help drive better investment recommendations.

18 May 2017

Tearing down the world's first mass-market electric car

We are more convinced than ever that electric cars are about to reach the tipping point in the penetration curve in the next few years. This new generation of electric cars has far-reaching implications for the global autos industry, but also for many other sectors, such as capital goods, chemicals, mining, technology, and energy. The only way to better understand these implications was to tear down the first vehicle of its kind, piece by piece. So, that is what we did. We tore down the Chevrolet Bolt, which we consider the world's first real mass-segment electric vehicle (EV).

...Consumer cost of ownership (TCO) parity vis-?vis combustion engine cars can be reached from 2018 (first in EU), creating an inflection point for demand. We raise our 2025E EV sales by ~50%

Widespread impact on auto sector, technology, chemicals, cap goods and more: [compared to ICE, the difference in components and maintenance] ... A comprehensive list of stocks positively or negatively impacted in autos (OEMs and suppliers), chemicals, batteries, tech, and capital goods can be found on page 59.

On a total cost-of-ownership basis (TCO), which also factors in the Bolt's lower energy and maintenance costs (the latter is even lower than we thought), true TCO parity (true meaning the OEM makes a 5% EBIT margin) should be reached in Europe in 2023E, and in China in 2026E ex subsidies, 2-3 years earlier than previously expected. The US is likely to lag due to lower fuel prices. [Chart shows 10 years out for US, 2028].

[Lots of good charts, but impossible to copy here so go see them there]

[And a related point]:
The findings on the Bolt enable us to assess the profitability of the long-awaited Model 3, Tesla's entry into the mass segment. We estimate that Tesla will require an achieved selling price of ~$41k for the upcoming Model 3 to break even at the EBIT level. This is ~$6k above the estimated base price of $35k. As Tesla buyers are likely to order well-equipped versions (margins on the options should be ~50%), the required ~$41k threshold is likely to be well exceeded, in our view.

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Like any investment advice this is only a clue where to start digging for more information, not an authoritative overview! The most important single thing I learned in grad school was read widely, keep up with the literature in anything you might invest in, hopefully recognize trends where those who recognize it early will make money as the trend becomes more widely adopted. (Pursuing this investment approach during the unique boom of the 90's allowed me to retire 10 years early, at 54. I recognize that was mostly winning a gamble, but a well-informed gamble. No I haven't invested in Tesla, I don't understand the complexities involved in forecasting its future.)
 
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Well, for now Tesla has not made a profit. Without government support, it would already be out of business. Politics keeps Tesla afloat.
 
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Well, for now Tesla has not made a profit. Without government support, it would already be out of business. Politics keeps Tesla afloat.

And so would every other auto maker in the US other than Ford.

It's okay though, if you can't make an argument on solid reason or facts it always helps to smear the opposition instead.

Last I recall this was a thread about electric cars and the Bolt, not policy and politics. If you're so eager to talk about politics why not start your own thread and leave us to discuss the actual technical bits.
 
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And so would every other auto maker in the US other than Ford. It's okay though, if you can't make an argument on solid reason or facts it always helps to smear the opposition instead. Last I recall this was a thread about electric cars and the Bolt, not policy and politics. If you're so eager to talk about politics why not start your own thread and leave us to discuss the actual technical bits.
Check the posts I didn't start up about investing in Tesla. You are barking up the wrong tree.
 
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I thought it was common knowledge that lithium batteries live shorter lives when they are fully charged, or fully discharged. Lithium batteries prefer mediocre.

We covered that already, they degrade under high temperature or being at 100% or 0% for a long period of time. Charging to 100% and being on the road shortly afterwards is fine(and I've been doing it once a week for ~2 years).

There is a buffer at the bottom of the pack to keep it from bricking, but that's factored into the EPA range on all EVs.

Finally, just to put this all to bed. If there really was a significant reduction in capacity it would manifest in during DCFC. Even at 50k miles here I still start seeing a 120kW taper at 40% and that holds out with other high mileage Teslas that are out there.
 
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Well, for now Tesla has not made a profit. Without government support, it would already be out of business. Politics keeps Tesla afloat.

Amazon didn't make a profit for more than a decade either. Most of the airlines ran deficits for close to a decade. Big business sometimes runs deficits as part of their strategy and business plan. Not a simple matter.
 
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Amazon didn't make a profit for more than a decade either. Most of the airlines ran deficits for close to a decade. Big business sometimes runs deficits as part of their strategy and business plan. Not a simple matter.
Amazon has reinvested their profits back into the business, much different, your right it's not a simple matter.
 
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