Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[buickanddeere]

How about this, I'll eat all my words if you can show first-hand excessive degradation from a modern EV with active thermal management.

However, I have over 50k miles, 100+ Supercharges on our car and we're showing well under the expected degradation(<2%). I plan on keeping the car for ~150-200k miles and I'm sure at that point I'll still have plenty of usable capacity.

Also if you look at tear-downs of Tesla's packs you'll see they run cooling fluid right against the cell walls pulling heat away rapidly. The packs keep a good temperature since that's critical for a host of reasons.

A degradation hiding factor is engineered into the vehicle. EV lithium batteries are charged to somewhere around 85-90% and considered fully charged. maximum discharge is limited to approx 15%. 15 to 20% reduction in capacity can be easily hidden.
How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

 

[Redneck in training]

Without government mandated production quotas and tax payer funded refund incentives. The EV would not exist off the golf course.
btw we just brought home a 2017 Sierra Max Towing with the 420HP 6.2 L yesterday.

You have either short memory or never lived in an area with large population density. I remember air burning my nose, stinking rivers without any life, millions of acres of dead forests etc. Then governments legislated usage of catalytic converters and fuel efficiency standards followed by clean air and environment protection regulations. I remember people complained why they should pay extra 1000 USD for a thing they don't need (catalytic converter). Governments spend money on many things we "don't need" in example space programs and science in general. The fact is that without space programs we wouldn't have many things we enjoy today. Every mobile phone uses technology originaly developed for satellite communication. Or computers, roboticsm DCS, GPS etc. Well electric cars are one of those things. I predict I will be still living when there will be more electric cars on the road than ICE powered.

 

[IslandTractor]

I paid 10's of thousands of dollars less up front. And will save 10's of thousands in operational costs over the next 300,000 miles vs the diesel. The max tow option puts this truck beyond diesel ratings of just a few years ago. If I have to haul more than rated it is cheaper to hire a hauling company with all the class A and CVOR hassles.

Just yanking your chain. Agree that diesels don't make much sense unless you absolutely need that much towing capacity on a regular basis. BTW, nice truck, hope you use it for more than commuting.

 

[vvanders]

A degradation hiding factor is engineered into the vehicle. EV lithium batteries are charged to somewhere around 85-90% and considered fully charged. maximum discharge is limited to approx 15%. 15 to 20% reduction in capacity can be easily hidden.
How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

Once again I ask, what first-hand experience do you have? Because I can put up a website tomorrow that says the earth is flat but that doesn't make it true .

 

[vvanders]

The reason all electric hybrid car threads turn this way is because the main reason for the thread is about how to make others switch to all electric and remove ice cars from the road, and how to do it. And it's all based in a belief that CO2 production by people mainly in the USA is causing the planet to warm, and they are going to put a stop to it... Then you get push back, because that is political and not really based in science. Hence the pushback. So now you know. When you dis use technology advances that's cool, but, since the only real reason to change over and absorb all the short comings is to stop ice.

It doesn't really matter if you believe in climate change or not, in the next 5-10 years you're going to see prices drive where it makes economic sense to drive electric. Cleaning up pollution/CO2 is just a nice side effect .

FWIW I think there are cases where we're still going to see ICE in use since there are places that they make sense(much in the way steam is still used in some niche applications today). We're not trying to take your cars away, we just want to talk about the technology and clear up the many misconceptions around EVs.

 

[California]

You have to be either joking or trying to obtain a reply that you can twist into being offensive.

That's not much of an argument to support your refusal to clearly declare your opinion.

 

[houstonscott]

Too bad you couldn't afford the 6.6L 445HP 910ft/lb HD truck. Now THAT is a real man's truck. Ask Houston about how tax payer funded tax credits changed his life.

Yeah, I just kept more of my money, it's not the governments money, it's mine. Notice how they want to control where you go, start to judge you on what you drive and where you go and for what reasons. Enjoy driving to mall crap. Telling.

 

[IslandTractor]

Yeah, I just kept more of my money, it's not the governments money, it's mine. Notice how they want to control where you go, start to judge you on what you drive and where you go and for what reasons. Enjoy driving to mall crap. Telling.

So it's fine for the feds to give credits to homeowners so they will put up PV panels that otherwise are economically marginal at today's cost but it is "government overreach" when tax credits are given for purchase of electric vehicles that are otherwise economically marginal at today's costs. Got it. Consistency, after all, is for the small of mind.

 

[houstonscott]

So it's fine for the feds to give credits to homeowners so they will put up PV panels that otherwise are economically marginal at today's cost but it is "government overreach" when tax credits are given for purchase of electric vehicles that are otherwise economically marginal at today's costs. Got it. Consistency, after all, is for the small of mind.

Anytime you can keep your money and do with it what you want the better. I do agree that unless you are in a very narrow position, PV is a loser. I'll describe it you want, or for those on the fence.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Once again I ask, what first-hand experience do you have? Because I can put up a website tomorrow that says the earth is flat but that doesn't make it true .

I thought it was common knowledge that lithium batteries live shorter lives when they are fully charged, or fully discharged. Lithium batteries prefer mediocre.