Compact Diesel trucks that we can't get here

[3930dave]

A small 2-door PU with the Mazda 2.2 twin turbo-diesel (about 180hp or so) would be
the bee's knees. Even the new Toy Taco is huge, and no Hi-Lux.

Agreed on the bee's appendages :thumbsup:

'17 Taco has a 127" wheelbase and curbs @ abt. 3900#. Definitely not a 70's Toy !

Looked up a C10. You could get a 1970 in 115" WB, with a Shipped Weight abt. 3500#.

197 CHEVROLET C1 Information Specifications Resources Pictures

Funny to think that Toyoda made their name here in compact trucks back when.....

Rgds, D.

 

[dfkrug]

'17 Taco has a 127" wheelbase and curbs @ abt. 3900#. Definitely not a 70's Toy !

Looked up a C10. You could get a 1970 in 115" WB, with a Shipped Weight abt. 3500#.

That's amazing. The 1970 C10 fleetside weighs about what my '04 "small" Taco does, and I
have the V6 4x4 Xtracab.

I bought a '76 HiLux L20 back in '80, and it may have been under 2000#. OOgly, and now,
quite rare.

I read somewhere that the new Taco, fully loaded, weighs in at only 98# less than the first
Tundra V8.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I heard some piece on the radio today, saying the Canadian Federal Government will be making a further push toward zero emission vehicles. My guess is this doesn't bode well for anything Diesel that isn't work related. When I go to the GTA and look around seeing thousands upon thousands of vehicles stuck in traffic going nowhere quickly, and this scene is repeated in thousands of places across North America, maybe, just maybe they are doing the right thing.

I know it's been discussed to death, but I guess Nuclear by-products simply aren't considered emissions.

 

[3930dave]

That's amazing. The 1970 C10 fleetside weighs about what my '04 "small" Taco does, and I
have the V6 4x4 Xtracab.

I bought a '76 HiLux L20 back in '80, and it may have been under 2000#. OOgly, and now,
quite rare.

I read somewhere that the new Taco, fully loaded, weighs in at only 98# less than the first
Tundra V8.

When you think of the advances in material-science over that time (OK, I can't think of a volume production carbon-fibre pu today..... , but meaning high(er) strength low(er) weight metals....) it shows how much more "stuff" is packed into today's vehicles....

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

I heard some piece on the radio today, saying the Canadian Federal Government will be making a further push toward zero emission vehicles. My guess is this doesn't bode well for anything Diesel that isn't work related. When I go to the GTA and look around seeing thousands upon thousands of vehicles stuck in traffic going nowhere quickly, and this scene is repeated in thousands of places across North America, maybe, just maybe they are doing the right thing.

I know it's been discussed to death, but I guess Nuclear by-products simply aren't considered emissions.

You and I live in the same province..... I can't stand my present electricity bill; until I can charge a vehicle from my own off-grid system, I'm not really interested in electric. I'm not anti-Candu, but you do have a point there.... "0" emission is primarily a marketing game.

If we went straight to hydrogen powered engines, that would catch my interest. In terms of today's hydrocarbons, we should really be driving NatGas; but this game is not about technical merit, unfortunately...

I don't buy that a modern GDI engine is always as clean as they are marketed/claimed to be..... I'd put a modern diesel like df is talking about up against them any day....

Rgds, D.

 

[buickanddeere]

You and I live in the same province..... I can't stand my present electricity bill; until I can charge a vehicle from my own off-grid system, I'm not really interested in electric. I'm not anti-Candu, but you do have a point there.... "0" emission is primarily a marketing game.

If we went straight to hydrogen powered engines, that would catch my interest. In terms of today's hydrocarbons, we should really be driving NatGas; but this game is not about technical merit, unfortunately...

I don't buy that a modern GDI engine is always as clean as they are marketed/claimed to be..... I'd put a modern diesel like df is talking about up against them any day....

Rgds, D.

Diesel by it's molecular chain structure has more btu's per gallon however it won't burn as clean. No different than an old gasoline forklift that would smother the driver to death with CO in a warehouse burns reasonable clean and safe on propane.
A small diesel in a light duty application, strangled by Tier IV emissions and being fueled at a cost per gallon equal to or higher than gasoline just can't compete with a DI gasser.
Hydrogen from electricity would be ideal, however the people behind the politicians have found a way to mine the assets out of the public power utility. Then to add insult to injury service work that used to be handled corporately is now being tended out to tender. The price gouging, corruption and "planned" contract overruns at Pickering in the late 1990's and early 2000's and the Bruce 1-2 retube has shown that. Nothing has been learned and much under the table $$$ will change hands with the Darlington re-tube.
The amazing thing is that even with nuclear being overcharged by contractors the cost of nuclear power is still cheaper and more reliable than wind at 13.5, natural gas at 17 and solar averaging at 40 with a high of 80.2 cents.
Anyone worried about nuclear waste storage has been listening to the scare based rhetoric from green weenie organizations during their fund raising campaigns.

 

[3930dave]

A small diesel in a light duty application, strangled by Tier IV emissions and being fueled at a cost per gallon equal to or higher than gasoline just can't compete with a DI gasser.

For now.

"...modern gasoline direct-injection (GDI) engines in today's passenger cars can emit more hazardous fine particulate matter than a port fuel-injected engine (PFI), or even the latest heavy-duty diesels equipped with a particulate filter."

Attacking GDI engine particulate emissions - SAE International

GDI is nowhere near as clean as it is marketed to be (coincidence that tail-pipe testing became extinct around the time GDI ascended into our markets ?). Some (not all) GDI engines have horrendous oil consumption that is deemed normal, and is reflected in the Sx oil specs having to change here to protect the cats. Modern (and perhaps some older) TWO stroke gas engines don't use more oil than some of these GDIs. I'll be somewhat surprised if the engine oil that is actually going through the exhaust system in some of these vehicles is accurately reflected in the "official" GDI testing.

Total cost of ownership is an interesting subject. Removing and decarbonizing some GDI heads at less than 50k km in 2017 also reminds me of old 2 strokes...... :laughing:

As the SAE article linked above touches on, GDI is not done with additional hobbling and complexity....

Rgds, D.

 

[buickanddeere]

For now.

"...modern gasoline direct-injection (GDI) engines in today's passenger cars can emit more hazardous fine particulate matter than a port fuel-injected engine (PFI), or even the latest heavy-duty diesels equipped with a particulate filter."

Attacking GDI engine particulate emissions - SAE International

GDI is nowhere near as clean as it is marketed to be (coincidence that tail-pipe testing became extinct around the time GDI ascended into our markets ?). Some (not all) GDI engines have horrendous oil consumption that is deemed normal, and is reflected in the Sx oil specs having to change here to protect the cats. Modern (and perhaps some older) TWO stroke gas engines don't use more oil than some of these GDIs. I'll be somewhat surprised if the engine oil that is actually going through the exhaust system in some of these vehicles is accurately reflected in the "official" GDI testing.

Total cost of ownership is an interesting subject. Removing and decarbonizing some GDI heads at less than 50k km in 2017 also reminds me of old 2 strokes...... :laughing:

As the SAE article linked above touches on, GDI is not done with additional hobbling and complexity....

Rgds, D.

Some years ago early DI gassers has intake fouling problems when the operators used the vehicle in granny driving applications in the north and used cheap high ash motor oil. The PCV system was dumping crankcase fumes into the intake system without raw gasoline to wash the oil off the backside of the intake valves.
No different than LP and natural gas engines suffering intake valve fouling unless low ash oil for LP and NG is used.
Ebay lists numbers kits for "catch cans" to add to the PCV line to keep liquid out of the intake on econo vehicle. Higher end vehicles were factory equipped with catch cans.
Given how DI gassers have the advantages of diesel but without the drawbacks of diesel. The small diesel in light duty applications will be at a disadvantage. In particular if the EPA introduces their planned Tier V emissions.
Any coincidence with vw and GM cheating diesel emissions tests about the time tail pipe testing was dropped ?

 

[Btown]

Some years ago early DI gassers has intake fouling problems when the operators used the vehicle in granny driving applications in the north and used cheap high ash motor oil. The PCV system was dumping crankcase fumes into the intake system without raw gasoline to wash the oil off the backside of the intake valves.
No different than LP and natural gas engines suffering intake valve fouling unless low ash oil for LP and NG is used.
Ebay lists numbers kits for "catch cans" to add to the PCV line to keep liquid out of the intake on econo vehicle. Higher end vehicles were factory equipped with catch cans.
Given how DI gassers have the advantages of diesel but without the drawbacks of diesel. The small diesel in light duty applications will be at a disadvantage. In particular if the EPA introduces their planned Tier V emissions.
Any coincidence with vw and GM cheating diesel emissions tests about the time tail pipe testing was dropped ?

Have no fear GPF that is Gasoline Particulate Filters will be hitting the shores in the US on some 2018 models. Wonder how well they will work. Yeah this DI gassers have a real advantage. It seams that all car manufacturers have been or soon will be caught cheating the emissions here in the USA. Has to tell you something about the standards.

 

[dfkrug]

When you think of the advances in material-science over that time (OK, I can't
think of a volume production carbon-fibre pu today..... , but meaning high(er) strength low(er) weight
metals....) it shows how much more "stuff" is packed into today's vehicles....

And yet, look at new motorcycles: FI, ABS, 100+ hp, and they weigh LESS. You can thank aluminum
space-frames, and perhaps some more exotic materials. Talking sporty bikes, not dressers.