BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter

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My BX plugged the rear filter 2 or 3 times, always in the winter. It didn't reallly looked gelled, I'd cut them open and they looked OK, but would be almost 100% plugged. I installed a Racor but the kit posted above looks nice. I spent a lot of time getting mine hooked up and mounted. Protecting the engine? A BX is probably pretty forgiving, indirect injection, lower pressures, so not a huge deal but the plugged filters suck.
 
   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #22  
For a jelled fuel filter just warm it up. The jell disappears. (Don't even have to remove it. Heat gun in place)
 
   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #23  
For a jelled fuel filter just warm it up. The jell disappears. (Don't even have to remove it. Heat gun in place)

Yeah, we do that a lot here in Ky.:laughing::laughing::laughing:
 
   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #24  
There's no PC in saying it makes sense, at least to most people to spell a brand's name correctly, but if you're heii bent on doing it against the grain, then go for it.:confused3:

As far as damage or potential damage from gelled filters, yes it would be inconvenient, but the larger issue is what is getting to/through the IP? With ULSD there's less lubrication of critical parts than with previous higher sulfur content fuel. So if you don't particularly care about how you IP and for that matter injectors function, or get lubrication, or in this case lack adequate lubrication then a 2 to 20 micron filter kit would be wasted on your tractors.

Now granted, a stopped engine due to gelled fuel isn't exactly breaking news on land, but in the marine field the same result can mean serious consequences.

Egon is correct in saying one can heat up the filter in place to melt gel conditions. We used to do just that when Mercedes diesels would come down off the mountains near my shop frozen solid after travelling up from down country where the fuel wasn't 'cut' for winter conditions.
My SOP was to take the car off the flatbed, put it on the lift, drain the oil and filters,(if warranted by mileage) including the fuel filters, then raise it up to the ceiling and let my waste oil burner at 80 degrees room temp melt any gelled fuel in the lines. AND we'd add Red Line Diesel Catalyst, the only approved at the time, additive Mercedes would allow without warranty issues, in their engines.
Thanks customers for the oil to burn to heat my shop, too!:thumbsup:

Here's something else to consider for those whose filters gel/freeze in cold climates, especially if the tractor rests outside.
A heat strip, (12 volt to run off the tractor's battery, or similar setup).
Dew Not 3" Dew Heater Strip - DN4
 
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   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #25  
Ron,
your right, your dealer has no idea because i bought the complete kit off from ebay for $175 (ebay name: botasandy)
The folks i bought the kit from actually build the kit... The filter assembly itself is genuine kabota item and the dealer can get them.
The filter assembly is actually made for the M5700 kabota tractor #15521-43015 (costs around $50 to $60 just for the filter assembly)

These folks make up all the correct hoses`s & brass fitting`s to do the complete install. Their work is absolutely stunning.
They send VERY detailed instructions on how to install it. It also comes WITH the special built mount to install it on the BX tractors.

I will try to post it in here where i bought the kit.
Kubota BX Fuel Filter relocation kit BX237,BX24,BX25D,BX23S FEL L24,L243,L34 | eBay
View attachment 513329.

Looked at the web site; where this is mounted I would rip it off in a heart beat working in the woods. I am trying to find a system I can mount inside the frame where I can install a guard or above the aftermarket skid plates.

Ron
 
   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #26  
You can get the same filter housing for about $55, I mounted the $40 B series filter on my BX2230 and G2160 using a part of a flat bracket, I bent in a vise and it is mounted on side of engine by the injection pump, with the fuel in, out and bleed return lines hooked up so it self bleeds. No brush can get to it and is easy to drop bowl and dump water out.

Cost was less then $60 each and even used Gates Barrier fuel line. Left inline filter before electric pump but as everyone knows they can pass water and that is where the B series filter traps all the water in the bowl.

David
 
   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #27  
Looked at the web site; where this is mounted I would rip it off in a heart beat working in the woods. I am trying to find a system I can mount inside the frame where I can install a guard or above the aftermarket skid plates.

Ron
I checked it too... no more presently available. I have done most all of my woods work. Probably could fab a shield if you think it necessary. Having had to replace the lower filter twice in 200hrs, I like the idea. Probably time to replace the lower one again!
 
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#28  
Looked at the web site; where this is mounted I would rip it off in a heart beat working in the woods. I am trying to find a system I can mount inside the frame where I can install a guard or above the aftermarket skid plates.

Ron

Ron,
No rules apply to mounting it, as you can put it where ever you like, as long as it sits lower than the fuel tank.
You could make a shield to protect it too if your handy. I work in and around big rocks and dirt everyday,
havent had an issue, and i dont even have a protective shield around the fuel filter assembly.
 
   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #29  
I checked it too... no more presently available. I have done most all of my woods work. Probably could fab a shield if you think it necessary. Having had to replace the lower filter twice in 200hrs, I like the idea. Probably time to replace the lower one again!


Or just trade the tractor!!! :D:laughing::cool2:
 
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#30  
I checked it too... no more presently available. I have done most all of my woods work. Probably could fab a shield if you think it necessary. Having had to replace the lower filter twice in 200hrs, I like the idea. Probably time to replace the lower one again!
Dragoneggs,
They`ll have more kits very soon. I personally know these people that make the kits, you`ll get an outstanding kit from them. I do know they are on vacation for a couple weeks right now, so check back with their ebay auction. I know once you see their kit, you`ll be VERY impressed. Super nice people too, they stand behind their BOTA products. If you ever need help or have a question, they are right there to help you in a heartbeat, but i doubt you`ll need to ask for their help because the kit and the instructions are excellent. They have excellent pictures and arrows (with captions) pointing to everything within the installation instructions.

Though the kit is expensive, the hard work is already done for you. No hunting down parts, no running around wasting time to figure out what you need. I will always gladly pay extra so that i dont have to fry my brain to figure out what i need, not to mention all the running around. The kit came to my door in 2 days from NC to NY.
 
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#31  
Or just trade the tractor!!! :D:laughing::cool2:

LOL.... got any extra cash you could throw at me John... i`d love the upgrade, but money holds me back everytime...lol
 
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#32  
You can get the same filter housing for about $55, I mounted the $40 B series filter on my BX2230 and G2160 using a part of a flat bracket, I bent in a vise and it is mounted on side of engine by the injection pump, with the fuel in, out and bleed return lines hooked up so it self bleeds. No brush can get to it and is easy to drop bowl and dump water out.

Cost was less then $60 each and even used Gates Barrier fuel line. Left inline filter before electric pump but as everyone knows they can pass water and that is where the B series filter traps all the water in the bowl.

David

David,
By the time you`ve done all the running around, gathering every piece to build the kit that i paid $175 for, you wont be far off from what i paid.
The kit that sandybota sells on ebay, took all the pain away. All i have to do is just install it, which is super simple.
 
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#33  
Guys
i`m not trying to make you buy these fuel filter kits, thats all up to you all. My thought behind the whole ordeal is this... i`m protecting my bota better, i`m making it way easier changing filters when i need to instead of crawling under my tractor in the winter, the kit was super simple, its a very high quality kit. And i contribute to helping some retired folks that made these kits possible by buying their well thought out great kit. Its a win win for everybody.

And it comes with a custom made bracket to mount the filter assembly and the bracket is painted the same color as the tractor frame.
 
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#35  
The Kubota kit I put on the RTV-1100 has the bracket, water seperator and hose.

$98
http://www.colemanequip.com/parts/KubotaParts/K7561-92400/184

Messicks has just the housing.

$24

Kubota: Fuel Filter Assy, Part # 6A32-58862



David

Not trying to rain on your parade Dave, and please dont take it the wrong way... but the kit i bought is by far a better system compared to the $24 unit you bought. And i didnt spend that much more over what your posting, and mine comes with everything to mount it, including a super heavy duty 3/8th thick steel mounting bracket. Your bracket looks pretty frail. Is it stamped out of sheet metal...? Personally i would be very worried that it will crack from all the vibrations of the diesel engine. Maybe you can post some pictures of it on your tractor...?

By the time someone buys the one you listed, ($100) they`ll have to buy a bunch more stuff to make it work on a BX tractor. And that one you posted, dosent have a fuel shut off valve either (that i can see anyway) mine does. So you`ll have to pinch your hoses to just change the filter, so keep your tools handy and close by. And i dont see a bleeder on yours either, mine surely does have a bleeder. Your filter cartridge looks like its half the size of the one in my kit. What does your filter cartridge cost... mine is $3.90 (each) thru a kubota dealer. If the filter cartridge is half the size, then it cant be much bigger than the stock OEM filter can. So with my filter being (maybe) larger, i can go longer between filter changes.

Dont get me wrong here, yours is a filter & water separator, which is exactly what people are wanting, it just depends on how much a person is willing to spend to have a better system that is easier to use, (and no tools required) and also save a ton of time changing filters without tools. Not to mention, mine is much much more heavy duty as well. Time is money for me, i dont have time to waste when i`m on a job. I can change my filter out from start to finish in about 30 seconds and keep on diggin an scoopin dirt. Your kit is probably fine for the twice a year weekend warrior, but i cant do the cheap way out.

All in all, i guess it depends on how ya look at it, do you want a mustang, or a Mercedes.

PS... john deere uses those cheap plastic filter kits, we got KUBOTA`S folks, there is a difference...lol


Just sayin.
 
   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #36  
Most everything of what you said is incorrect about the filter housing, twist as you may but their is a reason that Kubota went to the non corrosive plastic housing with automatic shutoff and self bleeding vent system on the newer tractors.

The element changes in 30 seconds also and you do not need the spanner wrench for the ring that gets jammed up on the metal one, and it does jam up and will not loosen by hand.

There is a reason that I have the metal housing on only one machine and the plastic one is on three machines

David
 
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   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #37  
Ron, your right, your dealer has no idea because i bought the complete kit off from ebay for $175 (ebay name: botasandy) The folks i bought the kit from actually build the kit... The filter assembly itself is genuine kabota item and the dealer can get them. The filter assembly is actually made for the M5700 kabota tractor #15521-43015 (costs around $50 to $60 just for the filter assembly) These folks make up all the correct hoses`s & brass fitting`s to do the complete install. Their work is absolutely stunning. They send VERY detailed instructions on how to install it. It also comes WITH the special built mount to install it on the BX tractors. I will try to post it in here where i bought the kit. Kubota BX Fuel Filter relocation kit BX237,BX24,BX25D,BX23S FEL L24,L243,L34 | eBay <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=513329"/> This kit DOES come with only one filter cartridge, the cartridge itself is only $3.90 when you buy one from the kabota dealer.

Holy smokes, that glass ball filter looks way too exposed for me! Aren't you worried about something hitting it and breaking the glass?
 
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#38  
Most everything of what you said is incorrect about the filter housing, twist as you may but their is a reason that Kubota went to the non corrosive plastic housing with automatic shutoff and self bleeding vent system on the newer tractors.

The element changes in 30 seconds also and you do not need the spanner wrench for the ring that gets jammed up on the metal one, and it does jam up and will not loosen by hand.

There is a reason that I have the metal housing on only one machine and the plastic one is on three machines

David

Automatic shut off...??? Self bleeding...??? Would you mind posting pictures of this.
I dont need a wrench to tighten OR remove the metal spanner nut. A manual shutoff valve is more my flavor, especially during transport.
 
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#39  
Holy smokes, that glass ball filter looks way too exposed for me! Aren't you worried about something hitting it and breaking the glass?

If you`re referring to me, mine is not glass, its plastic.
As for the bowl getting hit, no, i`m not concerned about it, i built a heavy duty metal guard that protects the bowl.
 
   / BX23S - Should i keep the fuel filter #40  
Automatic shut off...??? Self bleeding...??? Would you mind posting pictures of this.
I dont need a wrench to tighten OR remove the metal spanner nut. A manual shutoff valve is more my flavor, especially during transport.

Tired of having to prove something to another BXer

Go buy one.

Have 4 Kubotas having over 2000 hours on all of them I know what works and how it works, and an overpriced "kit" that has an old obsolete design and only does part of the job is not the answer.

David
 

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