Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[houstonscott]

Seriously dude, do you EVER read what you link to?? Here is a quote from the first paragraph: "The great majority of publishing climate scientists support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change,[3][4] hence this list represents a minority viewpoint." You just shot yourself in the foot again.

That seems to be your reply when you are shown the door, find a sentence in one article and claim you didn't read them and leave the assumption of your position. Good tactic but not here with me. Sorry man there are thousands.

 

[/pine]

There is a remarkable association between far right political views and denialism. The people who blather on about AGW being "debunked" only read trash science published on Breitbart and similar rightwing political, not scientific sites. Show us a peer reviewed article that " debunks" AGW written by a bonafide scientist rather than by some retired ex oil executive or funded by the same politicos that fund Breitbart. Good luck.

For extra credit, find us even one tenured professor of science in any of the 100 top universities in the US who believes your assertion that AGW has been "debunked".

LMAO...did you even read what you wrote???...do you realize it is you that is blathering?

FYI the AGW zealots are the new "deniers"...it's the same misguided mindset that still can't believe you/they lost the election...get over it geeze...!

 

[sd455dan]

I think some dealers are using the after-subsidy price in their Bolt advertising. Be cautious about that. Not everyone has a $7,500 federal income tax obligation in the year you buy the Bolt, so you may not be able to claim the full $7,500 reduction to your federal tax obligation when you file your 2017 taxes. And it doesn't roll forward to use the remainder in a future year.

Leasing avoids this tax trap, the leasing company earns the full $7,500 when they buy the car to lease it to you. But of course you are paying something extra for their profit if you lease. I've always bought cars outright, the magic numbers in dealer loans and leases turns me off. "How much shall I tell the credit union to write the check for" cuts through a lot of nonsense.

I wonder if the second-generation Volt is worth its higher cost. For a car you hope to keep for several years, that might be worthwhile.

I think you are right on the dealer getting the 7500 rebate- whoops TAX CREDIT, Don't think I would ever lease a vehicle, It will be (my) rig or nothing.

Read up on what has happened with a bunch of the leased 1st gen Volts and it sounds like the lending companies are eating a fair amount of the depreciation when the lease is up and the cars are sold.

likely wait for a while- keep putting money away, and see what happens with lease returns,

from some of the articles out there the market is going to be awash in lease returns due to the number of people trying to keep up with the Jones'es trying to maintain status appearance?, since they can no longer afford a house many more are leasing than has been trend in the past or possibly due to wanting a full warranty of the hybrid/electric drive while they have the car.

lots of articles like this one :Morgan Stanley: Used Car Prices May Crash 5% | Zero Hedge

this quote shows the trend-
Off-lease supply: This has already more than doubled since 2012 and is set to rise another 25% over the next 2 years

makes me think there could be some big discounts on low mile lease returns or even a new vehicle in the future.

Just hope it doesn't require a full blown auto caused financial crash to get a deal. Going to Keep stashing money in the (bucket list) electric/hybrid car fund for now

 

[IslandTractor]

LMAO...did you even read what you wrote???...do you realize it is you that is blathering?

FYI the AGW zealots are the new "deniers"...it's the same misguided mindset that still can't believe you/they lost the election...get over it geeze...!

Look at the article Houston linked about scientists. Depending on the survey, between 84 and 98% support AGW while 2-16% dispute AGW. That's about as close to a slam dunk as you will see in a topic still under active investigation. The exact opposite of the baloney you are trying to sell as "settled science ".

 

[sd455dan]

Look at the article Houston linked about scientists. Depending on the survey, between 84 and 98% support AGW while 2-16% dispute AGW. That's about as close to a slam dunk as you will see in a topic still under active investigation. The exact opposite of the baloney you are trying to sell as "settled science ".

partial list of Scientific organizations that agree

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/



Even Exxon was convinced climate change was man caused in the late 1970's by their own research... Then reversed their own political stance on what to do about it and started funding denier/debate/question (science)

Oil companies are beginning to change their stance on climate change

Oil Company Positions on the Reality and Risk of Climate Change — Enviromental Studies

 

[houstonscott]

partial list of Scientific organizations that agree https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ Even Exxon was convinced climate change was man caused in the late 1970's by their own research... Then reversed their own political stance on what to do about it and started funding denier/debate/question (science) Oil companies are beginning to change their stance on climate change Oil Company Positions on the Reality and Risk of Climate Change — Enviromental Studies

All of the sudden after 100 years you libs believe oil companies.....wow now that's news!

 

[IslandTractor]

All of the sudden after 100 years you libs believe oil companies.....wow now that's news!

Nah, we don't believe them but occasionally they are on the right side of issues and that's worth noting.

 

[joea99]

Late to this thread and have not read it through. I looked at the Bolt, but my complaint is the same as all battery powered electric vehicles. Winter. Need heat. Battery drain. Long recharge time.

For my money, such as it is, I would much rather have a Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicle, such as they Toyota Mirai, which is in limited production now. Uses Hydrogen to produce electricity that drives the electric motors, much as the Bolt and Tesla. "Fill up" time is similar to current gas pump times and even simpler and safer, they say.

Big problem is the lack of hydrogen infrastructure, except in California and limited in the North East. I guess this is due to lack of foresight and private funding only.

 

[houstonscott]

Late to this thread and have not read it through. I looked at the Bolt, but my complaint is the same as all battery powered electric vehicles. Winter. Need heat. Battery drain. Long recharge time. For my money, such as it is, I would much rather have a Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicle, such as they Toyota Mirai, which is in limited production now. Uses Hydrogen to produce electricity that drives the electric motors, much as the Bolt and Tesla. "Fill up" time is similar to current gas pump times and even simpler and safer, they say. Big problem is the lack of hydrogen infrastructure, except in California and limited in the North East. I guess this is due to lack of foresight and private funding only.

Best hydrogen fuel available now is diesel, greens don't like that so, hydrogen is dead.

 

[/pine]

Look at the article Houston linked about scientists. Depending on the survey, between 84 and 98% support AGW while 2-16% dispute AGW. That's about as close to a slam dunk as you will see in a topic still under active investigation. The exact opposite of the baloney you are trying to sell as "settled science ".

one or one hundred...opinions don't mean didly...changing the TOBs and pro-rating previously recorded data is fact that cannot be denied...the only baloney is the convoluted results the powers that be have duped so many fools into believing...
Watch and learn...!