TX 2160F, with front loader and backhoe, long term project

[chrismac]

I have come to the conclusion it will be best and easiest to keep all my questions regarding my project in the one place in this thread of my restoration of my TX2160 tractor, with a 2nd tractor for spares.

If this is in the wrong place please moderators please place in the correct part of the forum.

So first image is the tractor, its been sitting for many years out side abandoned, this was it half way home.

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Then we had the 2nd tractor which was for spares, it is also in poor condition,

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Engine out, injector pipes have been slackened and the nuts have rusted completly.

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Cylinder head off, the pistons were stuck because of water ingress,

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Cylinder head, quite a bit of pitting on the seats and valves, waiting to see what the 2nd engine is like before I commit to doing to much work on this.

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I have been working on this for a few weeks now, there is more pictures to follow.

Chris

 

[chrismac]

Tractor with loader and backhoe is stored on a friends farm for the moment,
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Removing the tractor from the backhoe, I managed to get some of the loader steelwork removed bit not all.

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The dash, the revcounter cable was free and moving, unsure if this hours is correct,

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Getting the 2nd tractor home
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Engine out, once the loader steelwork was removed, it was a struggle getting the engine seperate as the clutch bellhousing had a lot of water sitting in it.
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[chrismac]

Cleaning the 1st engine head, still some pitting present and my seat cutters are not cutting anymore,

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They leak slowly when diesel is poured into the backs of the valves.

 

[fxrs55]

Holly mackerel, Were those tractors under water?
I was looking at you pictures on flickr and wow!
looks like you have made some head way.
Was that rocker arm broke when you got it?
Do you know why they sat so long?

 

[chrismac]

Then we moved on to stripping the 2nd engine, it was not seized in the bore although sitting with lots of water in the sump, note the broken rocker, one valve was stuck.

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A gubby mess in the bores

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Cylinder head showing the mess the valves were in.

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Chris

 

[chrismac]

Noted the pistons are different in both engines,

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The one with the pocket in the top has a different oil control ring too with a small coil spring running round underneath it.

Are these inter-changable as the heads are both the same?

Chris

 

[chrismac]

snip, Holly mackerel, Were those tractors under water?
I was looking at you pictures on flickr and wow!
looks like you have made some head way.
Was that rocker arm broke when you got it?
Do you know why they sat so long?


They have sat for about, 15 years,

Yes the rocker was broken, but possibly by the movement through the wheels when we were shifting it about, althought it was lifted as much as possible.

Chris

 

[Ilikeurtractor]

Good luck with the project - looks like a real challenge. As far as the pistons, they should be interchangeable assuming they are both Mitsubishi K3B engines. Verify the piston diameters. The one with the recessions will have a lower compression ratio. I'm not exactly sure why this change was made but one claim I heard was to lower NOx output of the engines to help comply with EPA rules. Check the serial numbers of the engines and see if the one with the recessions is a later number.

 

[chrismac]

Yes they are both K3B engines,
Tonight I have been doing some measuring of the crank journals, both cranks are fairly close, whould someone happen to have the tolerance allowable, I have still not tracked a manual down yet, one set of my big end bearing are/seem in really good condition (visibly) while the other 3 have some wear present

They are in reasonable condition considering the lack of oil in the sumps.
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The best set of bearings look like this, came from engine 2 with the pistons with the recessions in them,
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While the flat top piston bearings from engine 1 look like this,
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The valves from engine 2 cleaned up remarkably well, this was after a light rub with some scotch-brite pads,
example of a pair of valves,
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Valve springs with red paint to top,
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Then the last job was to clean the injectors, see how the fittings have corroded,
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Is it possible to have the pipes fitted with new ends or is it a case of getting new pipes made.

Chris

 

[chrismac]

Not much happening in the way of moving forward yet,
last work was opening the backends to see what the internals was like,

This is the mower tractor which was engine 1,
Some rust present
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Rust on the crown, although not too deep or much pitting,
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But the arms were down so the lift piston bore has suffered with moisture,
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Some chewed gears also
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On Engine 2 the loader tractor there is some light rust present, not on any important areas I think and hope.
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Thankfully the arms were fully up so I am hoping once I get into it the bore of the lift ram will be clean and free from rust,
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Gear box of same tractor, is in good condition
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Still just working through some bits and peices, there is some issues with the diff on the engine 2 tractor(the loader one) but the diff on engine 1 tractor feels good, its looking like its is going to be a hybrid of the 2,

feel free to comment.

Chris

 

[chrismac]

Both lift assemblies have been stripped (the ram and valve parts) and and cleaned, all cleaned up good with engine 2 tractor ram still having oil in it so it was in excellent condition internally.

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There are some differences between both tractors, here the 2 pistons were different, one being flat and the other having a recess in the top, the seals were different too, the other not shown had a fiber backing ring behind the O-ring where this one has a plastic backing ring.

 

[chrismac]

Spool valve and PTO pump question

Hi, can someone please advise me on the PTO pump I need for my Beaver Backhoe, the pump is missing so I am looking at a replacement along with the spool valve block/chest, I would like to get a spool valve block/chest of 6 and pump with the correct LPM,

I have been looking at these,
Hydraulic Monoblock Lever Control Spool Valve, 3/8 x 1/2 Ports, 45lpm, 1-7 Bank | eBay

The pumps are the same price with various outputs

Flowfit Hydraulic PTO Gearbox with Group 2 Pump 22.57 l/min ZZ156 | eBay

Thanks Chris

 

[chrismac]

Re: Spool valve and PTO pump question

A bit of an update, things are progressing slowly, I am waiting on a gasket set coming from Europe, I have been swapping over the main bearings, pistons and crank into, my 2 engine numbers are 39333 and 84235, so quite a bit between them, I have desided to actually use the earlier engine with slightly more bore wear but the wear is more uniform through the 3 bores where the later numbered engine has less wear on 2 bores but significant damage in one, there is an option to do an over haul should I have deep enough pockets,

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Quite a difference in the clutches, can someone let me know why this would be, can I use either?

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and stripping the backhoe so its easier to store and getting ready to knock the leg ram pins out,

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[chrismac]

Any one know why the clutches are different?

 

[lens12]

The OEM clutch is 3 lever.

 

[Marcle]

Hi Chris,

I have the same set up as you, though the smaller 2140 with same front loader and back hoe.


I also see you too have twin rear wheels. In my case they were fitted by the previous owner. I've never liked wheel spacers and thought about removing my twinsies, but thought the halfshafts looked stout enough, however after some snow clearing in recently, I had the one wheel 'fall' off!


The issue may just be the extra strain with the leverage on the bearing, however I suspect the full ballasting of the tyres don't help, so will be removing the outer wheels for now.

 

[chrismac]

Hi Marcle,

I have in the past done a search and come across your tractor, (I remember you having a post up with your hydraulics under the seat, a repair or something) when you say a wheel fell off, I never expected it to fall of there!!! unfortunatly all my wheels are past using, the spacers were just pipe with long bolts holding them in place, although I do have a set of turf wheels which are usable,

Would you be kind enough when you get a chance to have a look at your pto pump and see if you can see any info on it as I am needing to get a pump and set of spool valves to match for the backhoe,

I am about ready to reassemble the engine once I get a chance, once/ if I get it running then the rest of the work can start then.

Chris

 

[chrismac]

Well its been a while and the progress has been slow but I have reassembled one engine with all the good parts, injectors away getting tested with the best 3 getting fitted, new injector pipes aquired, new dash aquired and some of the wiring changed over in readyness for starting once the engine rebuild is complete, I intent to start this on a frame before it goes back in the tractor, or before I start building the tractor around the engine.

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[chrismac]

TX2160 injectors and fan belt question

All, a quick question about injectors, I have given my injectors to a local tester who has informed me all my 6 injectors are not atomising, is it still possible to get spare parts and so on for these?

Does anyone off hand know the standard length of the fan belt, I have worked out as SPZ, if not I will get it worked out, I just thought I would ask first when I was on the forum anyway.

thanks in advance,

Chris

 

[chrismac]

Re: TX2160 injectors and fan belt question

After biting the bullet and deciding time to seriously move forward with this project after many other more important tasks have got in the way over the last many months, a couple of nights were dedicated to see where we are with the engine. To my astonishment when I cranked it over after bleeding the fuel lines the thing fired into life after about the 2nd turn of the engine,

Iseki TX2160 after engine strip and rebuild - YouTube

All that I have done to this engine was pick the best parts from the 2 engines, the condition of the alternator is terrible but I am delighted it still generates power, this is the stage I hoped to get to so I know now I have a project which has serious potential,

I am one very pleased person tonight.

Chris