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About 5 to 1. ICE car produces (all included) about five times more polution per life of the car than ecar. Ecars are quiet, no more rumbling exhausts.
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About 5 to 1. ICE car produces (all included) about five times more polution per life of the car than ecar. Ecars are quiet, no more rumbling exhausts.
Snobdds
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Where does the coal used to produce the Ecar's energy factor in? Or do we only take into the account the end product pollution?
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Study: Electric Vehicles Pollute More Than Gas-powered Cars
I think you are mixed up. Many credible studies find the reverse.
wagne223
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I am not buying that claim.
It is claims like this that cause the wall between ecar proponents and the status quo to get larger and stronger.
Mining all those precious metals for batteries and windings produces a lot of carbon emissions.
wagne223
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I brought up this same question many posts ago. I never received a direct answer.
Probably because no one has actually done a study. Probably because they don't want the result known.
Like I said before, I'm all for people driving ecars. I just don't like the fact many of them feel they are "zero emission"
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I would like a new car with the Active Steering and Braking features but in an Ford Escape, Subaru Forester, etc we are talking around $35K. When I can continue to buy quality used vehicles in the $5K-$6K range that are good for another 10 years it is hard to justify spending so much just to get the new technology that is so cool.
Now if a self driving car would help me to keep my driver license my mind would be subject to changing.
From what I read the self driving semi trucks for like from warehouse to warehouse sooner than later. There is one ship in Europe that makes the same 28 mile trip from the mines to the sea port I think that is totally unmanned. We have a new (they tore the old one down) McDonald's opening next week where you can place your order and pay for your meal without trying to get a human get your order correct.
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Without a multi source backup, 5-1 seems outlandish.
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Paris Says Au Revoir to Gas and Diesel Cars by 2 | Automobile Magazine
the French never were very sensible. Well, one will have to buy their Chiron in another city I suppose
I think they are going to blame degradation of the Mona Lisa on air pollution...and maybe they are right.
I bet the gas station owners in Paris are thrilled about this. Talk about reinventing your business, though there will always be
repair work.
| Automobile Magazinethe French never were very sensible. Well, one will have to buy their Chiron in another city I suppose
I think they are going to blame degradation of the Mona Lisa on air pollution...and maybe they are right.
I bet the gas station owners in Paris are thrilled about this. Talk about reinventing your business, though there will always be
repair work.
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daugen
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it is hard to justify spending so much just to get the new technology that is so cool
I agree. Luckily some of the most important stuff is coming to $25k cars since they can't get the top safety rating without it.
My Subaru Outback with its cameras and radars really helps me on long drives, mostly by giving my right leg a break for extended periods. Have bad arthritis and get cramps and
having the car give my limbs a break is really helpful. But it doesn't give my mind a break, nor until they advance the science will I want it to. Luckily the 10-4 hand position, which often becomes 9 and 3 I think depending upon where you rest your hands, is the most comfortable for me.
a little wander here:
My last career was as a CFP. I spent almost ten years doing kitchen table financial planning with families, helping them with their finances, and
evaluating whether their current broker had them in decent investments, the right risk profile. And helping them set priorities on how they spent their money if they wanted to be
successful. There's a lot of merit to what Gale is saying here. If you have a lot of other line items in your budget that are crushing you, or not allowing needed saving,
auto expense really is an area you can cut back on.
The problem is many guys after working hard for 30 years have wanted to reward themselves with a nice new truck.
And gosh, no money down.
And then the family has a ten thousand dollar annual expense for one vehicle, after you add in more expensive car insurance.
Now if you are working and earning a living with that ten thousand dollar a year asset, it can make a lot of sense.
But otherwise, a used midsize sedan today, which are going out of style to the SUV's for sure, can be a super deal for not much money, and
maybe just maybe you can pay cash and not have any payments at all. Remember when we saved up for cars?...
And since cars are more reliable now, with a little mechanical know how Gale can expect to get 200k out of most modern cars.
Cost per mile of driving usually drops greatly.
So you have more money to spend on other things. Like a second tractor. :thumbsup:
back to regular programming.
btw I get around my farm mostly on an electric golf cart. Quiet, remarkable acceleration, and super reliable. Two zerks to grease.
Club Car, nice product, bought used for half price. Had it converted to four person cart. No reason it won't be running fifty years from now, though
I assume the batteries getting dropped in would change quite a bit every ten years.
Maybe we'll have hydrogen golf carts in fifty years. Maybe they fly/levitate by then. I've been reading Heinlein and Bradbury since the Sixties and
it is fun seeing things you read about so long ago coming true today. So an electric truck is really easy for me to imagine.
I agree. Luckily some of the most important stuff is coming to $25k cars since they can't get the top safety rating without it.
My Subaru Outback with its cameras and radars really helps me on long drives, mostly by giving my right leg a break for extended periods. Have bad arthritis and get cramps and
having the car give my limbs a break is really helpful. But it doesn't give my mind a break, nor until they advance the science will I want it to. Luckily the 10-4 hand position, which often becomes 9 and 3 I think depending upon where you rest your hands, is the most comfortable for me.
a little wander here:
My last career was as a CFP. I spent almost ten years doing kitchen table financial planning with families, helping them with their finances, and
evaluating whether their current broker had them in decent investments, the right risk profile. And helping them set priorities on how they spent their money if they wanted to be
successful. There's a lot of merit to what Gale is saying here. If you have a lot of other line items in your budget that are crushing you, or not allowing needed saving,
auto expense really is an area you can cut back on.
The problem is many guys after working hard for 30 years have wanted to reward themselves with a nice new truck.
And gosh, no money down.
And then the family has a ten thousand dollar annual expense for one vehicle, after you add in more expensive car insurance.
Now if you are working and earning a living with that ten thousand dollar a year asset, it can make a lot of sense.
But otherwise, a used midsize sedan today, which are going out of style to the SUV's for sure, can be a super deal for not much money, and
maybe just maybe you can pay cash and not have any payments at all. Remember when we saved up for cars?...
And since cars are more reliable now, with a little mechanical know how Gale can expect to get 200k out of most modern cars.
Cost per mile of driving usually drops greatly.
So you have more money to spend on other things. Like a second tractor. :thumbsup:
back to regular programming.
btw I get around my farm mostly on an electric golf cart. Quiet, remarkable acceleration, and super reliable. Two zerks to grease.
Club Car, nice product, bought used for half price. Had it converted to four person cart. No reason it won't be running fifty years from now, though
I assume the batteries getting dropped in would change quite a bit every ten years.
Maybe we'll have hydrogen golf carts in fifty years. Maybe they fly/levitate by then.
I've been reading Heinlein and Bradbury since the Sixties and it is fun seeing things you read about so long ago coming true today. So an electric truck is really easy for me to imagine.
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