Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay?

[TSO]

Yup... You are right, because I haven't done the job, I can't understand why it's ok for police officers to violate the law, lie to the public, and ignore other officers doing the same.
I don't understand the public thinking an officer might be wrong if he only does bad things 10 min out of each week. After all, he didn't do anything wrong the other 6 days of the week.

If you go back and read my earlier post, you'll see i already condemned those officers who violate the rules and damage public trust and perception. They should (and eventually usually do...) face severe consequences for their actions.

But "bad" officers are in the extreme minority, and the vast majority of officers are honest, caring, hard-working people who do their best to honor their position, while working within the sets of laws that we've laid out for them. Are there bad officers out there? Yup... They are few, but they are present. They should be reported when encountered. But don't group the rest, the "good" officers in with the random, limited, bad apples. It's not fair to the rest.

That's why we should trust and give our support to Public Safety officers. You're much more likely to have contact with the good ones.

 

[kenmac]

In NC, you're WAY better off getting a NC conceal carry permit. Total invested around $200 ($100 or so training class, $90 or so to the sheriff).

BIGGEST advantage is once you have your conceal carry permit, no permit needed to buy a handgun. Just go in, show them the conceal carry permit with drivers license, but whatever and how many you want.

Conceal carry permit good for 5 years, then have to renew, at this point, no training needed after you get your first CC permit.

When I first moved to NC, lived a county over. Went in for like my 3rd or 4th permit (to buy a handgun) then they changed the rule at the sheriffs department as they wanted EVERY address/state you EVER lived in your entire life. I must of lived in 7 different states as an working civilian adult after college before moving to NC, and there is NO WAY I could EVER of filled that out accurately. Glad I moved a county over and got the carry permit.

That's all good . But I don't remember seeing a permit being requirement in the 2nd amendment. The last words in the 2nd read''shall not be infringed'' We here say a permit is an infringement .

 

[LD48750]

If you go back and read my earlier post, you'll see i already condemned those officers who violate the rules and damage public trust and perception. They should (and eventually usually do...) face severe consequences for their actions.

But "bad" officers are in the extreme minority, and the vast majority of officers are honest, caring, hard-working people who do their best to honor their position, while working within the sets of laws that we've laid out for them. Are there bad officers out there? Yup... They are few, but they are present. They should be reported when encountered. But don't group the rest, the "good" officers in with the random, limited, bad apples. It's not fair to the rest.

That's why we should trust and give our support to Public Safety officers. You're much more likely to have contact with the good ones.

Obviously your idea of "good" & "bad" is different then mine.
We also disagree on the % of officers that cross the line.

Now.. I will admit that *most* officers follow the law ( or at least try to) *most* of the time.
If body cams were on all the time & compared to written reports, I believe your version would be hard to defend.

I personally have witnessed average everyday officers lying under oath in court.

 

[TomSeller]

If you go back and read my earlier post, you'll see i already condemned those officers who violate the rules and damage public trust and perception. They should (and eventually usually do...) face severe consequences for their actions.

But "bad" officers are in the extreme minority, and the vast majority of officers are honest, caring, hard-working people who do their best to honor their position, while working within the sets of laws that we've laid out for them. Are there bad officers out there? Yup... They are few, but they are present. They should be reported when encountered. But don't group the rest, the "good" officers in with the random, limited, bad apples. It's not fair to the rest.

That's why we should trust and give our support to Public Safety officers. You're much more likely to have contact with the good ones.

I don't know what planet you live on, but it is the same one that I live on. The quantity of bad cops out there is not trivial. Maybe I will meet an honest cop someday, but I have not yet.

 

[TSO]

I don't know what planet you live on, but it is the same one that I live on. The quantity of bad cops out there is not trivial. Maybe I will meet an honest cop someday, but I have not yet.

Specify each Police encounter you've had and describe your claims... But don't exaggerate or embellish

 

[TomSeller]

Specify each Police encounter you've had and describe your claims... But don't exaggerate or embellish

How dare you say I am embellishing. My brother was murdered by a dirty cop. The county was sued and lost. State YOUR proof that cops are primarily "good". Don't exaggerate and embellish!! This thread has touched a nerve in me and I don't tolerate those well that naively think they live in Mayfield.

 

[TomSeller]

Unsubscribing from thread

 

[Sigarms]

That's all good . But I don't remember seeing a permit being requirement in the 2nd amendment. The last words in the 2nd read''shall not be infringed'' We here say a permit is an infringement .

I don't disagree with you at all.

That said, I can pretty much buy anything I want (as well as what you can probably buy) unless it has a Mr. Happy switch. Into suppressors now, and no issues there. This can't be said for a bunch of what I consider dictator states. So, when it comes to guns, I have no issues with the state of NC for the most part.

Thing is, remember, I mention in this thread that it was the LE agencies duty to uphold the "law" of the jurisdiction that they reside in? So, while I can shoot in my own back yard anything I own, if I lived in Mass, NY, NJ, Maryland, Connecticut, California and a few other states, if I was shooting those same guns, I would be arrested and thrown into jail. All UNDER THE SAME US CONSTITUTION. Go figure...

The "war on drugs" is another prime example. Alcohol is legal, but marijuana isn't (in most states).

 

[TSO]

How dare you say I am embellishing. My brother was murdered by a dirty cop. The county was sued and lost. State YOUR proof that cops are primarily "good". Don't exaggerate and embellish!! This thread has touched a nerve in me and I don't tolerate those well that naively think they live in Mayfield.

I didn't say you were embellishing... Was just asking you not to, when you described your Police encounters, explaining how you've "never met an honest cop."

I'm sorry you lost your brother... What was the story behind that?

 

[Bird]

I learned long, long ago that you will NEVER change some individuals' minds about any authority figure, especially police officers. My maternal grandfather, after whom I was named, wanted nothing more to do with me when I became an officer. He thought all police officers were crooks and I'm sure there was no way his mind could be changed. I just said I was going to join the police department and find out what kind of people they were.

Well, as most people know, but seem to forget sometimes, the only place we have from which to hire police officers is the human race, and they ain't all perfect. And there are certainly a lot of the wrong kind of people who want to be officers. I was my department's first recruiting officer as a patrolman and some years later I was commander of the personnel division and had the final say as to whom we hired and whom we rejected. I can remember a time when only 3% (yep, 3 out of 100) applicants were accepted. You probably wouldn't believe the reasons some of the applicants wanted to be officers.

However . . . ., we still got some bad ones at times, and we always will. When I started, I was in a recruit class of 29. One was later fired for a petty theft and one was sent to prison for burglary. I can think of a couple of others (not in that recruit class) who were sent to the state prison during my tenure. And I, personally, got resignations from a couple of bad officers, and did the necessary paperwork to fire some.

AND . . . . I can tell you for sure that some of the finest, most honest, individuals I've known were police officers, and as you would expect, some of the sorriest individuals I've known were police officers. IN MY OPINION, it pretty much boils down to the departments' management; the chief, assistant chiefs, captains, etc. If they insist on their officers following the rules, you'll have a good department, but if they were not good honest officers themselves; just good politicians, you'll have problems.