ArmyDoc
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Any recommendations? Looking at the jcb 525-60 agri loader today. Have a case dealer near by, but he doesnt stock these. Also have a bobcat dealer, also with none in stock....
Compact telehandlers
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EddieWalker
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Just curious what the advantage is for you to go with a compact telehandler? Contractors use them because they are easy to haul around from job to job, but on a farm, bigger is always going to be better.
JCB is probably one of the biggest brands in the world, but they are few and far between where I live. The few people that I know who have owned JCB said that getting parts was slow. It was so slow, that they ended up selling it and going to another brand.
JCB is probably one of the biggest brands in the world, but they are few and far between where I live. The few people that I know who have owned JCB said that getting parts was slow. It was so slow, that they ended up selling it and going to another brand.
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Construction equipment has been my thing for the past 30 years and I would not buy a JCB anything. For a mini Id go genie or cat.
Unless your wanting one small enough for hauling you can actually get a good used 6k full size for less than a compact.
Unless your wanting one small enough for hauling you can actually get a good used 6k full size for less than a compact.
JCB factory for their CTL / skidsteer based telehandlers is in Savannah, about 2 hours from here. Of course, the agri ones are made in England I learned. Something to consider.
Why telehandler? Well, I have an old 45hp MF but it's really too small and doesn't have a FEL. So I decided I'd look at a new tractor, and finally get CAB with AC while I was at it. But as I started looking at what I wanted to do, a couple people have suggested I look at machines other than tractor. My land is 95% forested, so I started considering a Skid Steer, but I don't really like the front entry vs side entry, and visibility isn't as good as that of a side arm based machine.
Here's what I'm looking to do, and kind of my thinking:
Jobs/tasks
1) Cut pastures
a) ~ 10 acres in back
b) ~3 acres in small fields around house
- these can be done with existing tractor and 5' bushog
- would be nicer/easier/more likely to get done if had CAB with AC
- Would be faster with wider implement
c) areas under and between trees
- requires smaller implement to fit between trees
2) Maintain fire-breaks and perimeter of property
- If cut once by someone else, then cut every 6 mos, these can be done with existing tractor and 5' bushog
- Lack of CAB with AC makes this unlikely to happen (I've had it cut, now it's overgrown so...)
- If HAD a CAB with AC
- could upkeep perimeter pretty easily with a tractor (it's about 15-20ft wide) but fire breaks might be too small (narrow and low) for larger tractor, and a few areas are a bit steep (they use a doser to cut them, don't feel comfortable taking my old 45hp tractor over all parts...)
- to maintain all of this myself
Firebreaks: need to be able to deal with 2-3 inch diameter sweetgum (mostly 2inch), but 6-10ft tall
- likely a problem to drive tractor over dragging a bushog, even though bushog could cut it probably
- could deal with with daneuser intimidator on FEL
- Maneuverability may be an issue for Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
- could deal with with front mounted flail or brush cutter
Firebreaks: need to be able to deal with 5 or 6 ft wide path, ~20% grade in some spots
- Maneuverability may be an issue: Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
3) Deal with Wind/Ice fallen trees and limbs
- FEL with grapple of some type
- Maneuverability may be an issue: Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
4) deal with vines & brambles in trees (wisteria, honeysuckle, blackberry)
- FEL with grapple vs daneuser intimidator
- Maneuverability may be an issue: Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
5) Manage & maintain driveway
- FEL with bucket vs 6/way scrape blade vs box blade etc
- Maneuverability may be an issue if digging rather than scraping: Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
6) Pushing over dead but standing trees
- Falling tree safety is a concern - have seen stumps break 20 ft up.
- CTL - forestry package an option
- may be able to put forestry package on tractor too
- Height of FEL may benefit from higher reach in terms of leverage
- Telehandler has advantage in being able to stand farther back and reach farther up, Telehandler on a CTL/SS next
7) Transport of materials (e.g. fallen things to burn pile, feed, hay etc.)
- FEL
- Tractor and CTH faster than SS or CTL
so, those are my considerations.
JCB has something called a Teleskid that may be the best combination... it's kind of heading my list, but I welcome everyone's input. I had hoped to stay in the 50-70k range but my wife liked the forestry safety features on the teleskid, which puts it closer to 85k with a grapple and bucket.
Why telehandler? Well, I have an old 45hp MF but it's really too small and doesn't have a FEL. So I decided I'd look at a new tractor, and finally get CAB with AC while I was at it. But as I started looking at what I wanted to do, a couple people have suggested I look at machines other than tractor. My land is 95% forested, so I started considering a Skid Steer, but I don't really like the front entry vs side entry, and visibility isn't as good as that of a side arm based machine.
Here's what I'm looking to do, and kind of my thinking:
Jobs/tasks
1) Cut pastures
a) ~ 10 acres in back
b) ~3 acres in small fields around house
- these can be done with existing tractor and 5' bushog
- would be nicer/easier/more likely to get done if had CAB with AC
- Would be faster with wider implement
c) areas under and between trees
- requires smaller implement to fit between trees
2) Maintain fire-breaks and perimeter of property
- If cut once by someone else, then cut every 6 mos, these can be done with existing tractor and 5' bushog
- Lack of CAB with AC makes this unlikely to happen (I've had it cut, now it's overgrown so...)
- If HAD a CAB with AC
- could upkeep perimeter pretty easily with a tractor (it's about 15-20ft wide) but fire breaks might be too small (narrow and low) for larger tractor, and a few areas are a bit steep (they use a doser to cut them, don't feel comfortable taking my old 45hp tractor over all parts...)
- to maintain all of this myself
Firebreaks: need to be able to deal with 2-3 inch diameter sweetgum (mostly 2inch), but 6-10ft tall
- likely a problem to drive tractor over dragging a bushog, even though bushog could cut it probably
- could deal with with daneuser intimidator on FEL
- Maneuverability may be an issue for Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
- could deal with with front mounted flail or brush cutter
Firebreaks: need to be able to deal with 5 or 6 ft wide path, ~20% grade in some spots
- Maneuverability may be an issue: Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
3) Deal with Wind/Ice fallen trees and limbs
- FEL with grapple of some type
- Maneuverability may be an issue: Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
4) deal with vines & brambles in trees (wisteria, honeysuckle, blackberry)
- FEL with grapple vs daneuser intimidator
- Maneuverability may be an issue: Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
5) Manage & maintain driveway
- FEL with bucket vs 6/way scrape blade vs box blade etc
- Maneuverability may be an issue if digging rather than scraping: Tractor > CTH > SS or CTL
6) Pushing over dead but standing trees
- Falling tree safety is a concern - have seen stumps break 20 ft up.
- CTL - forestry package an option
- may be able to put forestry package on tractor too
- Height of FEL may benefit from higher reach in terms of leverage
- Telehandler has advantage in being able to stand farther back and reach farther up, Telehandler on a CTL/SS next
7) Transport of materials (e.g. fallen things to burn pile, feed, hay etc.)
- FEL
- Tractor and CTH faster than SS or CTL
so, those are my considerations.
JCB has something called a Teleskid that may be the best combination... it's kind of heading my list, but I welcome everyone's input. I had hoped to stay in the 50-70k range but my wife liked the forestry safety features on the teleskid, which puts it closer to 85k with a grapple and bucket.
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You already know my vote is for the CTH.
For those that don't know or haven't seen what a CTH can do, click this: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...pact-telehandler-post3243370.html#post3243370
For those that don't know or haven't seen what a CTH can do, click this: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...pact-telehandler-post3243370.html#post3243370
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A telehandler would be my dream machine for a lot of tasks.
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I prefer CTH mainly due to steering tires, not skidding tires or sliding tracks. And faster travel speed
But I would take a Teleskid over any tractor.
JCB has some small Compact Telehandlers also.
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Do any of the telehandlers have high flow options?
I think the "cool" factor is certainly there with the telehandler, but aside from pushing over dead falls from a distance, I don't really see anything you want to do as a challenge to any decent sized tractor.
If money is no object though, they sure are pretty awesome!
I think the "cool" factor is certainly there with the telehandler, but aside from pushing over dead falls from a distance, I don't really see anything you want to do as a challenge to any decent sized tractor.
If money is no object though, they sure are pretty awesome!
The JCB teleskid has High flow - one of the reasons I'm looking at it. It can be dressed out with all the forestry safety features and run a forestry head if you want to spend $30k+ on the head alone. But High flow hydraulics is one of the reasons I am considering it. Most of the larger flails require High flow, though some of the 6 ft ones will run on standard flow.
The JCB 525-60 telehandler is right at the same price as a Case IH 110c tractor, again one of the reasons I'm looking at it. The 525-60 telehandler has about the same lift capacity as the 110hp tractor, but of course much higher (20ft) and further away from you if desired. And it has higher flow hydraulics at 23.75gpm. But while it has a pintle hitch, so it can pull a trailer, obviousely it can't pull a harrow etc. OTH, It isn't as tall, is slightly narrower, weighs more, and with 4 wheel steer is more maneuverable.
The JCB 525-60 telehandler is right at the same price as a Case IH 110c tractor, again one of the reasons I'm looking at it. The 525-60 telehandler has about the same lift capacity as the 110hp tractor, but of course much higher (20ft) and further away from you if desired. And it has higher flow hydraulics at 23.75gpm. But while it has a pintle hitch, so it can pull a trailer, obviousely it can't pull a harrow etc. OTH, It isn't as tall, is slightly narrower, weighs more, and with 4 wheel steer is more maneuverable.
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If I worked dirt for a living I would covert one of these.
Crawler Skid-Excavators Mecalac 1MCR
Used Mecalac 6mcr mini excavators 7t - 12t Year: 215 Price: $75,136 for sale - Mascus USA
Mecalac - > Mecalac in the USA
Our american dealer Lorusso... | Facebook
Here is an 8 ton for sale in US 2016 model
MachineryTrader.com | 2 16 MECALAC 8MCR For Sale
Crawler Skid-Excavators Mecalac 1MCR
Used Mecalac 6mcr mini excavators 7t - 12t Year: 215 Price: $75,136 for sale - Mascus USA
Mecalac - > Mecalac in the USA
Our american dealer Lorusso... | Facebook
Here is an 8 ton for sale in US 2016 model
MachineryTrader.com | 2 16 MECALAC 8MCR For Sale
Interesting machine. Looks pretty flexible. Had to look up daN conversion to pounds - is 1kg weight or 2.2 pounds force. Small one is about same lift capablities - suprising would have thought that multi-piece arm would be less efficient. Hydraulic flow for tools looks pretty good too.
Europe seems to be doing all the innovation these days. No dealers anywhere near me, so not really an option.
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It could pull a harrow and a disc and much more if you get the rear aux hydraulics:
Or order the hydraulic hitch, remove it and use the hydraulics to operate pull type implements:
I wish they would sell the 3 point hitch versions over here:
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MECALAC just acquired a large chunk of TEREX, so their dealer network should expand quite a bit.
These guys just became a dealer and are located in your state.
MECALAC DEALER LOCATOR AT CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT GUIDE
Reynolds-Warren Equipment Company - Primary location
1945 Forest Parkway
Lake City (Morrow), GA 30260
Phone: 800-875-5659
Phone (2): 404-361-1593
Website: Reynolds-Warren Equipment Company
I wonder if the used 8 ton unit could be shipped to your local dealer?
PS wouldn't this be a fun toy in the woods to play on your estate?
Menzi Master tracked excavators. - Menzi Muck AG
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I considered going with an excavator - I've rented them a few times to push over snapped trees and pile them for burning. They are sweet machines. But they are slow slow slow in terms of going from one section to another. It felt like it took forever to move one side of the propety the other. The Mecalac says fastest ground speed is 10kmh. 6mph? Not sure if that is faster than the excavator I rented or not.
Interestlingly, that's one of my bigger hang-ups about the teleskid vs the telehandler too - 7.8mph vs 18mph.
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I found the pictures on an image search for telehandler 3 pt hitch.
The green one is Merlo, don't know the red one, the yellow one might be Dieci: Dieci Agri Tech: The First Multifunctional Agricultural Telehandler >> Tracey Road Equipment
Blue might be New Holland:
I have a 3 point conversion like this one:
I do have a 3 point adapter for the SSQA:
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A regular excavator tops out less than 4 MPH, 3MPH is about normal max. They make wheeled unit, just don't drive in mud.
I know what you mean about moving excavators.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/89163-busy-wife-weekend-21.html
I know what you mean about moving excavators.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/89163-busy-wife-weekend-21.html
