Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay?
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I wonder how many lawn guys assaulted other people?
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. My point is being an LEO doesn't make our failure any more wrong than if we aren't LEO.
Absolutely wrong...
A police officer is in a position of trust. Public trust. Breaching the public trust under the color of law is worse than just plain old Joe brown breaking the law.
Look at charges. If you have a position of control over a child and hurt that child, it's a worse charge than if you just hurt some random child. ( IE.. custodial control.. etc. ).
So yes.. Being in a position that mostly puts you above the law... makes the fall a little longer when you jump off..
It is more wrong for a police officer to rob you.. than a regular joe to rob you.
Situation:
Guy walks up to you in a parking lot and asks for something, then hits you and takes it.
vs
Police officer pulls you over then does something illegal to you.
The police officer has used his position of authority in an incorrect way.
Here are some pertinant examples and discussions:
Color of law" refers to an appearance of legal power to act that may operate in violation of law. For example, if a police officer acts with the "color of law" authority to arrest someone, the arrest, if it is made without probable cause, may actually be in violation of law.
Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States.
18 U.S. Code ｧ 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law
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Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 696; Pub. L. 90?84, title I, ｧ 103(b), Apr. 11, 1968, 82 Stat. 75; Pub. L. 100?90, title VII, ｧ 7019, Nov. 18, 1988, 102 Stat. 4396; Pub. L. 103?22, title VI, ｧ 60006(b), title XXXII, ｧｧ 320103(b), 320201(b), title XXXIII, ｧ 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 1970, 2109, 2113, 2147; Pub. L. 104?94, title VI, ｧｧ 604(b)(14)(B), 607(a), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3507, 3511.)
Here is is in black and white, 18 U.S. Code ｧ 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law, means that if an officer and joe blow do something to you.. that the officer has a second, separate penalty to answer to. So yes.. the officer is 'more wrong'.
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It really sucks when cops can't be trusted...and tell me again there is no double standard when it comes to one LEO covering for another...
Florida deputy arrested, caught on video allegedly stealing from deceased man's home | Fox News
Florida deputy arrested, caught on video allegedly stealing from deceased man's home | Fox News
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I just don't understand that blue wall /blue shield mentality.
Knowing that when a police officer does something bad, on duty, under the color of law, that it reflects poorly on law enforcement as a whole, you would think OTHER LEO's would be hyper vigilant and police themselves more stringently... vs helping and covering up or ignoring / looking away.
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In a world where (so called) journalists who were once considered beyond reproach when reporting (so called) factual news...have been exposed and proven to have both personal and professional biases...it proves there is no demographic that is 100% unbiased or incorruptible...
If a law enforcement agency can be populated with any percentage of corruptible personnel...then the entire system is just as vulnerable...all the way to prosecutors and judges...
If a law enforcement agency can be populated with any percentage of corruptible personnel...then the entire system is just as vulnerable...all the way to prosecutors and judges...
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I think it's partly our of frustration. I knew a big city canadian cop that had told me, unless a person got in his cruiser and confessed to a crime, he had no interest in arresting anyone. So fed up was he with the system. He was just putting in time until retirement. Now retired, he jockeys vehicles for a dealership, operating the hot ones at high rates of speed with no danger of getting a ticket!
It always bothers me that when a public official is charged with something, the taxpayer gets to pay for defence and prosecution.
Worse still, when Government agencies get heavy fines, that we too get to pay!
Where is the personal responsibility, in all of that?
It always bothers me that when a public official is charged with something, the taxpayer gets to pay for defence and prosecution.
Worse still, when Government agencies get heavy fines, that we too get to pay!
Where is the personal responsibility, in all of that?
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I'm not sure journalists were ever held to a standard of being beyond reproach...the closest I can think of would have been Walter Cronkite, but even he spun things to his own viewpoint. There was a time when the line wasn't blurred between entertainment and information, when a network with "news" in their name wasn't hosting a bunch of people (not journalists) sitting on a couch and spewing various thoughts and theories and when they're called on it say "it's just entertainment".
I will trust a media enterprise who, when they get it wrong, cop to it and print a retraction or correction and offer more than a bunch of talking heads shouting into the wind with their various conspiracies (9/11 Inside Job, birtherism, etc.).
Most journalists try and get it right, the problem is sifting through all the manure to find the kernel of actual news. I don't care about what Trump tweets, it's all a distraction from what is actually going on. I could give a hoot about Caitlyn, or Kim or some bozo at the state fair eating corn...it's all a distraction from poorly executed government, robbing health care from millions or "trickle down" economics.
At least most journalists have degrees and can execute some critical thinking. Most cops don't have degrees haven't been educated beyond high school, and by and large don't have or utilize critical thinking skills. They aren't paid well mostly, and I think that plays into their corruptibility.
