my first and last Kioti

   / my first and last Kioti #21  
The problem with small shops is that they (if they are any good) are ALWAYS busy! And the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Or their best customers/friends. It's not uncommon to see customers stuff sitting there for months, and I've seen years! That's one thing most dealerships don't do.
 
   / my first and last Kioti #22  
Im curious...

We can assume that the tractor was out of warranty but what caused the tank to leak? Was it some sort of damage from operation or a part failure.
 
   / my first and last Kioti #23  
I think your expectations are unrealistic, given the market, and dealers' limited resources. As someone said here, maybe your best option is to fix it yourself. Otherwise, I fear, you'll just continue to be disappointed, no matter the mechanic shop.

As far as the Lineboro dealer, the repair they did on my tractor seems to be good quality, at least so far. They also replaced a bent tie rod and didn't charge me for the labor on that piece. And, thus far, they've always had what I needed in stock: tierod, fuel filter cannister, air/oil filters, hitch stabilizer bars. For Kioti, there are probably few dealers with their year's of experience. And that's hard to replace. BTW, I did not buy from them, and I don't "love" them. Just trying to be fair about it. I did take the time to get to know the mechanic a bit when I was in there. That goes a long way in the quality of the work you get sometimes. It's the honey vs. vinegar principle.
 
   / my first and last Kioti #24  
I've read many threads on this site about folks having repair issues quite like the OP's. What I have noticed to be fairly common is that folks aren't assertive enough from the beginning, allowing the dealers to set the pace. At some point one has to step up and give an ultimatum. Clearly there's the issue of how the repairs are going to be made (I'm with IT in that I just cannot handle other people working on my equipment- while under warranty yes, but afterwards I'll look to do it myself); and then there's the issue of transport costs (if any- I can't haul my NX so I have to eat transport costs).

I make it clear up front on how long I think I can go without my tractor. There has to be an agreed upon timeframe. Just stating an approximation and not giving one's acceptable range is pretty much an open-ended arrangement.

I'll also agree with those stating that lots of this equipment and repairs are likely things that dealers have yet to become well-versed with. And, just think about this, would it be a good sign if dealers had a lot of experience with many repairs? Would I want a tractor that is a great training tool for repairs? So, like for me when I go to work on many things that I work on that are first time repairs- I'm not exactly the best at anticipating repair times. I doubt that dealers are going to be open about this as it would make them look like they aren't really capable of working on your equipment, so, I figure they might fudge the truth a bit while they scramble to become more up-to-speed on doing a given repair.

At any rate, the aim by all is to resolve the situation. I would doubt that dealers like being in the situation of having angry customers running about. Whether confidence is gained or lost should be judged when there's been a resolution and one has been allowed some time to recover from some of the emotional trauma. It could be the ONLY time there's an issue, so best to keep communications civil. We are, after all, working with 1st world problems here (things could be MUCH worse).
 
   / my first and last Kioti #25  
I've read many threads on this site about folks having repair issues quite like the OP's. What I have noticed to be fairly common is that folks aren't assertive enough from the beginning, allowing the dealers to set the pace. At some point one has to step up and give an ultimatum. Clearly there's the issue of how the repairs are going to be made (I'm with IT in that I just cannot handle other people working on my equipment- while under warranty yes, but afterwards I'll look to do it myself); and then there's the issue of transport costs (if any- I can't haul my NX so I have to eat transport costs).

I make it clear up front on how long I think I can go without my tractor. There has to be an agreed upon timeframe. Just stating an approximation and not giving one's acceptable range is pretty much an open-ended arrangement.

I'll also agree with those stating that lots of this equipment and repairs are likely things that dealers have yet to become well-versed with. And, just think about this, would it be a good sign if dealers had a lot of experience with many repairs? Would I want a tractor that is a great training tool for repairs? So, like for me when I go to work on many things that I work on that are first time repairs- I'm not exactly the best at anticipating repair times. I doubt that dealers are going to be open about this as it would make them look like they aren't really capable of working on your equipment, so, I figure they might fudge the truth a bit while they scramble to become more up-to-speed on doing a given repair.

At any rate, the aim by all is to resolve the situation. I would doubt that dealers like being in the situation of having angry customers running about. Whether confidence is gained or lost should be judged when there's been a resolution and one has been allowed some time to recover from some of the emotional trauma. It could be the ONLY time there's an issue, so best to keep communications civil. We are, after all, working with 1st world problems here (things could be MUCH worse).

"I can't haul my NX so I have to eat transport costs"

With two tractors, you might consider a 12K trailer (NX + an attachment).
I never go to a dealer, but have had some repair issues, and a low deck trailer has proven to be one handy piece of equipment to have around.
I am an old guy, but bought a 14K new 20' equipment trailer 2 years ago.
Wish I had bought that trailer sooner.
I mounted a 9.5K winch also.
 
   / my first and last Kioti #26  
Kinda sad the world has come to this state. It has never been easier to communicate with someone.
When we can see in real time what is happening around the world, is it really asking too much to have a dealer take a couple of minutes and communicate with his customers ? A quik 2 minute update conversation with a customer shouldn,t be to much to ask. No communication is worse than having to wait 2 weeks for the parts. Left hanging really ticks me off.
 
   / my first and last Kioti #27  
A trailer you can buy and sell, possibly costing you nothing in the end. It's the cost of registering for given weight that has become the problem and expense here. Those become very expensive occasional trips.
 
   / my first and last Kioti
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#28  
The tractor is out of warranty. The cause of the leak is unknown to me. One morning I had a puddle of diesel under the tractor not big but leaking about a pint over 24 hours. If the leak is from operation then I will definitely never buy another Kioti since all I was doing was lifting a few sheets of OSB. The reason could be tank failure due to poor design or material failure, could be a rodent chewed a hole in it. My complaint is the schedule I was told. Pick up the tractor the next day. DONE ON TIME. Call me the next day to inform me of the problem. DONE ON TIME. I ok'ed the repair and was told the tank would be ordered and delivery would be 1 to 2 days. 2weeks later still no phone call. I went to the dealer. Was told that the ware house had been closed for inventory for a week and that they were not aware of that. The tank had been ordered and would be delivered in 1-2 days and they would call me if any delay. 3 weeks and counting no call no tractor.
Had I known how poor their service department was I would have attempted the fix myself.
 
   / my first and last Kioti #29  
Well, I bought a brand new 6200 JD Ag tractor, and had major diesel leaks. Poor quality hoses. I guess someone in Manheim Germany didn't get the memo about maintaining traditional German quality.

Maybe you just have to shop off-planet for your next tractor! lol
 
   / my first and last Kioti #30  
I agree with you on broken promises. If they said one day, two days, or whatever, I would expect them to hold to that. Or at least call and explain the delay. I didn't get any calls either. My suspicion is that it's left to the mechanic to call the customer. And mechanics aren't always equipped with good communication skills. Hence, the existence of service writers. And as we know they aren't always so good either.
 

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