Thoughts on Sexual Harrasment...

2LaneCruzer · Jan 31, 2018

buickanddeere said:
all the cop has to say is “they feared for their life”. The statement is a license to do what ever they want .

I hope you're kidding. If you shoot and kill someone...cop or not...you best be prepared to prove that it was self defense, and that you had REASON to believe the individual was intending to cause your death or serious bodily harm. A young female LEO from the Tulsa recently shot and killed a man who she believed was going for his gun. Turns out he was unarmed, and they put her on trial. The jury acquitted her, but it could have gone either way.

jerrybob · Jan 31, 2018

2LaneCruzer said:
I hope you're kidding. If you shoot and kill someone...cop or not...you best be prepared to prove that it was self defense, and that you had REASON to believe the individual was intending to cause your death or serious bodily harm. A young female LEO from the Tulsa recently shot and killed a man who she believed was going for his gun. Turns out he was unarmed, and they put her on trial. The jury acquitted her, but it could have gone either way.

Except if you are the president........Cheeto says he could shoot somebody in the middle of the street and nobody would care......doesn't seem very responsible for someone in that position to say but he did?????

LD48750 · Jan 31, 2018

2LaneCruzer said:
I hope you're kidding. If you shoot and kill someone...cop or not...you best be prepared to prove that it was self defense, and that you had REASON to believe the individual was intending to cause your death or serious bodily harm. A young female LEO from the Tulsa recently shot and killed a man who she believed was going for his gun. Turns out he was unarmed, and they put her on trial. The jury acquitted her, but it could have gone either way.

Need we say more?
Bring up a list of all the times an officer shot someone else & then point out how many got convicted of ANYTHING.

4570Man · Jan 31, 2018

How much cop shootings were unjustified?

RandyT · Jan 31, 2018

How many cops were charged when multiple cops shot at a guy in NY and missed hitting 9 innocents, None. Then you have the Chicago cop that shot that guy 16 times, and 8 of those were after he was on the ground, and was reloading when another cop stopped him. Then they covered up the shooting from the public for over a year, and then they charged him with murder 1 and was acquitted. if that was a normal person they would be sitting in prison for life for all the innocents shot and for murdering the guy on the ground after he was no longer a threat. There are multiple cases like this scattered all over the country. And then they wonder why there are being targeted.

Bird · Jan 31, 2018

There are multiple cases like this scattered all over the country. And then they wonder why there are being targeted.

How many is "multiple?" Each and every one of them will make the news; probably the national news as well as local. When you consider the number of contacts each officer has, and the number of arrests made, etc. only a very tiny percentage of the times does an officer do something wrong. But I'll certainly agree that even one is one too many. Personally, I think the police department management is who is responsible, and should be held accountable. But I also realize that as long as the human race is the only place from which we can hire officers, there will always be some bad ones get in.

airbiscuit · Jan 31, 2018

Bird said:
Personally, I think the police department management is who is responsible, and should be held accountable. But I also realize that as long as the human race is the only place from which we can hire officers, there will always be some bad ones get in.

Perhaps management shares some of the blame, but so do fellow officers who know who the "bad ones" are and remain silent or cover for them.

The Blue Wall of Silence

Bird · Jan 31, 2018

airbiscuit said:
Perhaps management shares some of the blame, but so do fellow officers who know who the "bad ones" are and remain silent or cover for them.

Of course, you're right. But if the right kind of management exists, those fellow officers wouldn't be afraid to report a bad officer. In many cases, officers (1) know that their current supervisors were as bad as the bad officers they'd like to report, and (2) if they get a reputation, or are even suspected, of telling on fellow officers, they fear that they'll have no backup or assistance if it's ever needed.

I've seen supervisors, and even police chiefs, who are afraid to take appropriate action because it might hurt their reputation with some officers.

I have a terrible memory for authors' names but there was one book written in which the author said that a police chief has 3 groups he has to try to please, satisfy, or get along with: (1) the city manager, mayor, city council or whoever hires and/or fires the police chief, (2) the officers on the department, and (3) the news media. That author claimed a police chief could survive in the job as long as he had 2 of the 3 on his side, but that if it ever occurs that 2 of the 3 are after him, he'd better be looking for a job. I think that's right.

I suppose everyone wants to be "liked" or popular, to some extent, but I'm afraid too many police chiefs and supervisors try too hard to be liked by officers under their command.