Need water advice

[gcp]

According to a phone app. the distance between my barn and the closest part of the pond is 277 ft. I figure I can run underground power down there easy enough and bury next to it a pex pipe thus utilizing a submersible pump to push the water up to the containers with a float to cut off waterflow once containers are full and turn off pump each time we depart.

Now I must figure out needed wire gauge for the 280ft electrical run and the right size of pex pipe necessary for quick effective refills...or I can even utilize the 3/4" tubing I already have at hand. Decisions decisions LOL!



Pics of the pond and the barn.

The water line is on this side of the mobile home

View from our screen room

 

[newbury]

<snip> since I've noticed that even though the water freezes within the container the integrity of the tank is still in tact. I can always drop a heating element in them for the winter months I guess but for the time I'll need to locate/purchase a coupling for its quarter turn faucet so I can install a water hose for easier water transport to the house.

I'm going to get a heat tape or immersion heater to drop in the tank.
There are 3 or so different type fittings commonly found on the tanks. There's a youtube video showing each different type. I initially ginned up several pieces to adapt to a faucet:


but I found a solution on line that was designed for my totes: 2-in-female-camlock-to-3-4-in-male-garden-thread-adapter.

 

[gcp]

Yep, exactly the same fitting I found online, thanks a bunch for the lead & the pic newbury! It'll be easy enough to fabricate.

 

[Redlands Okie]

Pretty views. Keep in mind to allow for wire running up or down from the BOTTOM of the ditch into your control panels or boxes. Also your ditch may not be as straight as you prefer when your done. It all adds to the length of the wire.

 

[CobyRupert]

Deep well jet pump located in house or barn: No 280' oversized electric cable in trench to pond required.

But if pump is at pond, the general rule is to shoot for less than a 3% voltage drop.

If you go with a (say) 1/2 hp pump at the pond. At 120V, (9.8 amps) you'd want at least a #6 Awg cable to compensate for voltage drop at 280', which is a big upsize to get a 2.25% voltage drop.

At 240V (4.9 amps), a #12 AWG would be okay at about a 2.25% voltage drop, but for a few more dollars use a #10AWG to get a ~1.5% voltage drop.

 

[gcp]

Deep well jet pump located in house or barn: No 280' oversized electric cable in trench to pond required.

But if pump is at pond, the general rule is to shoot for less than a 3% voltage drop.

If you go with a (say) 1/2 hp pump at the pond. At 120V, (9.8 amps) you'd want at least a #6 Awg cable to compensate for voltage drop at 280', which is a big upsize to get a 2.25% voltage drop.

At 240V (4.9 amps), a #12 AWG would be okay at about a 2.25% voltage drop, but for a few more dollars use a #10AWG to get a ~1.5% voltage drop.

Coby, thank you for the detailed info! And knowing the distances involved, what specific Jet Pump would you recommend? Personal recommendations based on success mean a lot to me!

Redlands, thank you! As I've stated our deep woods property is our serenity....when we're not dealing with water issues

 

[pmsmechanic]

Seems to me that you could run the pump at the house or the barn and just run two pipes to the pond. The jet can be in the pond and then you don't need to run power to the pond. I don't know what the distances are for a remote jet, jet pump. Maybe someone else knows.

 

[CobyRupert]

My experience with deep well jet pumps is only from maintaining one at the house I grew up in that my Mom still lives in.
I'd talk to your local well/plumbing supply for what (deep well) jet pump system they'd recommend. Wayne, Myers & Gould brand are a few. You'll also need the foot valve at the pond.
This would be a unique set up, because even though you're 280' away, that's horizontal. I don't think the horizontal distance is that significant as compared to the lift height. You've said the rise is only a bit over 20'. Deep well jet pumps are used on wells to lift water 80' to 100'.

 

[LouNY]

I have used a few jet pumps and have never been favorably impressed with them. Seem to need more horsepower for the same water flow as compared to a submersible, and instead of having to run power they needed two water lines. To me a 1/4 or 1/3 hp submersible with the remote starter box would be a nicer more reliable system and using 220 volt #12 well cable would be more then adequate. And now to muddy the water so to speak, have you ever wanted power at the pond? Run a #8 power feed to a small breaker box power the well pump from it and have power available at the pond for lights or whatever. enjoy.

 

[bspeedy]

If you buy a jet pump, you will regret it. They are a hassle.
A submersible on #12 wire and black coil plastic is the way to go. 280-feet is not a huge distance. My well is 600 feet deep and it's 350 feet from the house. That's a lot of #6 copper wire.
Myers is a good pump. If you pick another brand, try to get a Franklin motor.