HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck?

[mike69440]

The Incentives and Package Discoints on any F-150 with HDPP are very low compared to the ones stocked on dealer lots,

For comparision Current iIncentives and discounts on a Supercab is $6,000, a HDPP XLT is $3,000 and a HDPP Lariat is $1,000.
Factor in the equipment difference, the extra cost for a Supercrew HDPP is near $7,000 over a SuperCab.

218 Ford F-15 - Build & Price

218 Ford F-15 - Build & Price

218 Ford F-15 - Build & Price

 

[mike69440]

Re: HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? Just Factory ordered an F-150 Supercab 4 x 4

We just factory ordered an F-150 Supercab 4 x 4 non HDPP

MSRP on a Supercrew F-150 HDPP similar in equipment was just under $54K

HDPP had a total of only $1,000 in Incentives and Package Discounts.

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MSRP on the Supercab configured as above was just under $51K

This truck has a payload of 2,200 lbs but with Options, and a big fat guy driver vs. the 150 lbs allowed, that actual payload is around 1,800 lbs.

The same goes for towing, as it is rated to tow 11,300 lbs but if it can handle 7,500 to 8,000 lbs I will be satisfied.

The 302A option package bundle is not available on XLT with the HDPP package. Also some stuff not available with the HDPP, and if it is, you order it separately.

Even with X-Plan and the $1,000 incentive, HDPP F-150 best dealer price was over $49K X-Plan was actually not as good as dealers best price.

So to get even close to the features of the XLT SuperCAB, non HDPP in equipment, you are forced up to a Lariat trim with HDPP at $56K MSRP. Even then some stuff is not included.

+$50K for a truck just can't happen.

However the incentives and package discounts on the non HDPP Supercab were almost $7,000 and we got the truck slightly below invoice, not counting incentives & discount which adding those in really dropped the final price.

The dealer also sold Toyota's. Toyota truck get near MSRP, because they are Toyota's.

So we got a nice mid level truck at the price of an XL. Anyone want to take a guess what the contract price was?

Therefore we gave up the idea of a HDPP and will add RideControl | Air Lift Company - Tow and Haul with Safety and Comfort

We have been told that it will take 2-3 weeks for the truck to get an schedule and VIN from the Ford Order Bank and another 8-12 weeks to build and deliver.
I have been told by several dealers that if you order you get locked into the incentive at time the order is placed with Ford, and if incentives increase between the dime you order and delivery, you get the better incentive.

I suspect 2018 Ford Order Bank will close early spring.

Even though comparatively we got were able to order the F-150 at a great price, I have to remind myself that my dad bought a nice Chevy HD2500 Reg Cab 8,800 GCVW for $8,500 after the business tax write off back in 1981.

I really gave the 2018 F-150 a hard look over.
My conclusion was that Ford really took a lot of weight and some beef out of the truck, so I hope the engineers made the best effort they could, considering Ford is so cost driven and the requirements for fuel mileage, etc.

We looked at late model used, both 1/2 and 3/4 ton. Lots of Dodge Rams, but less Fords, and even fewer Chevy trucks seem to be on the private market. The were all mid $20-low $30K. Leased Low Mile Factory Guaranteed Pre-Owned were even higher.
That so few Chevy trucks were available say to me that Chevy builds a good truck.

Buying a truck is as hard as buying a tractor sometimes!

 

[HHR]

Re: HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? Just Factory ordered an F-150 Supercab 4x 4

There has been a used 2014 heavy duty payload package EB regular cab 2wd rotting on a dealer lot near me for the last couple months. Welcome to Our Dealership in Baxter-Brainerd- Dondelinger Chevrolet
I spotted a 2018 Crew Cab HDPP on Saturday and noticed that they have special wheels, but are no longer a 7-lug hub.

 

[deserteagle71]

Re: HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? Just Factory ordered an F-150 Supercab 4 x 4

We just factory ordered an F-150 Supercab 4 x 4 non HDPP
Buying a truck is as hard as buying a tractor sometimes!

Mike, hang in there. I went through the same process in March 2 years ago; it took a week to get the VIN number. The truck showed built on the Ford web site a couple weeks later. Then the truck showed "In Transit" until 17 May when at last it appeared at the dealership. But I have absolutely no regrets. Not one issue - the truck has never been back to the dealership for any reason. I absolutely love driving it - and the Excel spreadsheet I enter my fueling information in tells me that overall since I bought the truck I'm getting 20.9 mpg.

 

[mike69440]

Re: HD F-150 or 3/4 ton truck? Just Factory ordered an F-150 Supercab 4 x 4

Mike, hang in there. I went through the same process in March 2 years ago; it took a week to get the VIN number. The truck showed built on the Ford web site a couple weeks later. Then the truck showed "In Transit" until 17 May when at last it appeared at the dealership. But I have absolutely no regrets. Not one issue - the truck has never been back to the dealership for any reason. I absolutely love driving it - and the Excel spreadsheet I enter my fueling information in tells me that overall since I bought the truck I'm getting 20.9 mpg.

Fuel economy and ride comfort is why we went with a 1/2 ton. If we had went with a 3/4 ton, the GM/Chevy is a better all around truck, less tech, but well built and livable. One question I did not ask the dealer is the Ford Link to Track the Build. Could you post that?

Our neighbor with all the new toys (Kubota SV95-2 & 3901) just bought a Double Cab RAM 3500 gasser, a new Filth wheel 3 horse trailer with small living quarter, and a BIG TEX 5th wheel trailer.
He is having a tough time getting used to the bigger truck ,having always had 1/2 ton Chevy's.
I busted his nuts telling him he needed a 5500 dump with a 15-20 ton tag trailer for my excavator.

 

[deserteagle71]

Ford has changed that tracking thread several times during the time I used it and since. If you check out this link on the F150 forum you should be able to find the one that works.

https://www.f150forum.com/f118/tracking-thread-vins-build-dates-275592/index1095/

 

[dodge man]

I bought a new F150 about 6 months ago. I don't know that I saw hardly any trucks that had the HDPP package or Max tow. They seem to be unicorns. Mine is an XLT and we got about 10k off of the sticker price but we bought a left over 2017 that had a lot of incentives from Ford. My last two trucks were 3/4 tons and I think I'm going to be much happier with a 1/2 ton. This F150 probably has a slightly better ability to haul a load than the Ram I had with a Cummins. My F150 is rated at 1940 lbs. The 3/4 ton chevy I had did have a higher load capacity than my F150, probably by around 800 lbs.

I've also seen a debate about how the load capacity of the F150 is rated I think it DOES NOT include the weight of the driver but does include a full tank of fuel. Like most 1/2 tons and a lot of 3/4 tons, you run out of room on the GVW of the truck before you run out of tow capacity.

 

[mike69440]

I bought a new F150 about 6 months ago. I don't know that I saw hardly any trucks that had the HDPP package or Max tow. They seem to be unicorns. Mine is an XLT and we got about 10k off of the sticker price but we bought a left over 2017 that had a lot of incentives from Ford. My last two trucks were 3/4 tons and I think I'm going to be much happier with a 1/2 ton. This F150 probably has a slightly better ability to haul a load than the Ram I had with a Cummins. My F150 is rated at 1940 lbs. The 3/4 ton chevy I had did have a higher load capacity than my F150, probably by around 800 lbs.

I've also seen a debate about how the load capacity of the F150 is rated I think it DOES NOT include the weight of the driver but does include a full tank of fuel. Like most 1/2 tons and a lot of 3/4 tons, you run out of room on the GVWR of the truck before you run out of tow capacity.

Absolutely correct regarding Tow Capacity and GVWR. SAE uses 10% tongue weight, but real world rule of thumb 10-15%. The truck we ordered has a Tow rating of 11,300 Lbs. The Truck is a 5,000 lb aluminum can including options. The bumpers are as thick as a heavy sheet of paper and the frame is not much heavier. The truck cannot really handle a near 1,500 lb tongue weight, even with the addition of air bags and a weight distributing hitch. If you are planning to tow distance, hills, or frequently, over 7,500-8,000 lbs, you are needing the HDPP. If towing over 10,000 lbs just get any brand HD, 3/4 or 1 ton as there is a world of difference between drivetrain, frame, axles curb weight, and GVWR. In either case your fuel mileage will be about the same.

Interesting:

Compare the Cargo capacity of an 4 x 4 Super Crew F-150 HDPP to same 6.7L Diesel F-250.
https://www.fleet.ford.com/resource...gguides/Ford_Linc_18RV&TTowGuide_r3_Feb14.pdf

F-250 6.7 L diesel supposedly looses 800 lbs in payload compared to F-250 to 6.2L gas powered, but real world I do not believe F-150 HDPP = F-250 6.7L payload.

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...urces/general/pdf/guides/18_F150_SpecLite.pdf
https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/conten...general/pdf/guides/18RV&TT_Ford_F150_Oct9.pdf

Owners manual:
http://www.fordservicecontent.com/F...-Owners-Manual-version-1_om_EN-US_05_2017.pdf

Also F-150 HD Payload Package real world cost is within a thousand or two of an equivalently optioned Super Duty. Both stupid expensive, like A Kubota TLB series.
Ford has only minuscule incentives and discount packages on any F-150 HDPP. I suppose Ford wants the F-150 HDPP to stay a unicorn.

Footnote: At lest ther are a bit of incentives with this HDPP, but it is a very long truck!
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[Copperhead]

Well, sure there is going to be a monumental difference between a F-150 gasser and a diesel F-250. Probably in making you case you were citing about truck structure and build, you should have compared the F-150 to a gasser F-250.

 

[mike69440]

Well, sure there is going to be a monumental difference between a F-150 gasser and a diesel F-250. Probably in making you case you were citing about truck structure and build, you should have compared the F-150 to a gasser F-250.

If you read my post I was only pointing out Ford's rated payload capacity between the Gas F-150 HDPP Supercrew and the Diesel F-250 Supercrew.
I am well aware their that there is about 2,500 lbs more metal in the F-250 Diesel and it is a great towing machine.
The Supercrew F-250 Gas powered truck can be optioned to have a GVWR of 10,000 lbs, same as a base 1 ton SRW. With a Curb weight of 6,500 to 6,600lbs, the payload is around 3,400 to 3,500 Lbs.
The Reg Cab F-150 HDPP has a payload of 3,400 lbs, but onlt a 4,500 lb curb weight.
Of course if you load regularly to 3,000 lbs you buy a 3/4-1 ton truck.
However most people with 3/4 ton or 1 ton PU trucks carry only air in the bed?