Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill.

[AxleHub]

So this whole thread is just a rant about your opinion that somehow kubota is failing. No facts, but since they are advertising they are failing.

Show me on this doll where kubota hurt you
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Prichard, why are you saying words and statements that no one has said? Other than your post and now my response to it - has anyone on this thread said "Kubota is failing" ? I've not stated a single negative comment about Kubota product on this thread - not one. And I assure you - if you're trying for an emotional reaction on my part - you won't get it.

Is there a reason why you want to deny Kubota is doing things they've never done before in this combination of efforts ?

 

[AxleHub]

. . . . I'll say this simply; they (Kubota) have run quarterly sales incentives for the better part of a decade that I have been following them. Most often, they have been running up to $1,500 toward implements during that period and zero percent for 60 months for the better part of that period. The mower deck is probably the #1 implement people buy along with the loader when trying to get the $1,500. My guess is they overproduced the 54" decks because most everybody buys the 60" and they figured a good way to move that inventory is to "give" a free mower deck with purchase instead of the $1,500 off implement rebate.

Saying that, I have not personally seen 84 months with zero percent, so that is new to me.

. . . . I'm just not seeing things the same way you are around my area. There is competition in this market and has been for years, but most folks I know with a SCUT are driving a BX.

Don't take that as me putting down your choice. You made the choice that was right for you.

Greetings Tractorshopper,

I liked your post - because you followed a reasonable logic trail. However I also followed the Kubota promotions for years and my experience has been the following - Kubota offered 0% financing OR rebates - but not both combined. Big difference imo.

Also you are correct - that 84 months at 0% is quite unique for Kubota (if ever done).

But now lets combine the situation:

1. 0% interest
2. 84 month length
3. FIXED nationally advertised pricing (Messick's confirmed its dealer mandated reduced fixed markup pricing) - ever seen that before ?
4. Free 54" mmm deck
5. Upgraded features since prior year models

That's a pretty significant change all in a single new year imo.

You posted: "Don't take that as me putting down your choice. You made the choice that was right for you."

It seems some want to claim an intention I've not had. This thread has not been about my product choice except to show an example of discovering new issues in competitors after watching 2 specific products over 9 years.

Again - thanks for a reasonable post.

 

[prichard]

You thread title "Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill." would indicate Kubota is failing, at least in this market segment. And this is all based on your speculation that it has lost it's place because they advertise? I have seen Kubota ads for years, perhaps it is due to what I read and watch that I've seen these and you haven't or perhaps it's just different markets. I see 3 - 4 times as many JD sub-compact ads as Kubota so maybe they just decided that wanted to keep up with them, who knows. Or could be someone new at the reigns of their marketing department. The reality is none of us know why they are advertising more (if they are) or why.

But you can keep stirring the pot if that floats your boat.

 

[AxleHub]

Buckeyefarmer,

You posted: "And no free decks being offered at dealers here, maybe that's your dealers doing.

To me, this thread is about self justification of the tractor you bought. "

I've clearly stated in prior posts on this thread that financing and free decks are a publicly advertised thing. It has nothing related to my dealer or any specific dealer or to a local ad. Buckeyefarmer - have you even bothered to check the website or Kubota ads before posting ?

As to your statement that this thread is "self justification of the tractor you bought." That is dramatically illogical. Who would I be self justifying to ? And if I was actually trying to do something like that - why did I not present any reasons or conditions or indications of superiority ?

The only commentary on my Massey advantages was something someone linked to from a nearly 3 year old post of mine when I was responding to some questions - I didn't put it on the thread - or did you fail to notice that Buckeyefarmer ?

In fact if you were to look at my original post that began this thread - didn't I indicate the post was not about prospects rushing to buy the kubota incentives or running to a competitor to buy something else but rather to notice the actions of the manufacturer instead ?

Stop making up what wasn't said. Feel free to debate the premise the thread discusses - that Kubota is doing a combination of things it has not done before and has a national advertising campaign on TV and internet and newspaper to tell people about it. While Kubota produces a sizable amount of sales each year in this growing market - it obviously and visibly is marketing much stronger than in any of the prior years of its scut activity.

And Messick confirmed the dealer margins are reduced and are "capped" or mandated.

jmho

 

[AxleHub]

You thread title "Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill." would indicate Kubota is failing, at least in this market segment. And this is all based on your speculation that it has lost it's place because they advertise?

you stated: "would indicate Kubota is failing"

That is your assumption and not stated by anyone. In fact just the opposite - I'm quite aware and have stated they are selling product actively - but apparently you think Kubota just is in the habit of just giving away money (either their own or their dealers) by combining multiple promotions - that is also not their history.


you stated: "And this is all based on your speculation that it has lost it's place because they advertise?"

my statements had nothing to do with "advertising" - I was stating a series of activities Kubota has and is actually doing - a series that is unmatched to my knowledge in their lengthy scut history.

 

[Teachu2]

Teachu2, I think you are probably correct. While Kubota BX is still the obvious most dominant seller in the scut market - its not at the same marketshare it was years ago when it had 90% or 80% of the market share for scut units. My point is - Kubota is doing things like it never has done before in the history of my following them. To me - that means its marketshare is clearly not the 90 or 80 percent numbers it was. In some industries - owning 40% of the marketshare is a highly dominant goal - but not when you invent the category as Kubota did. My intent was to get prospects and new buyers to recognize that there are reasons for more than one brand in the marketplace of scuts - and it isn't about color LOL

jmho

Revolutionary only counts when you're the first top do it successfully. Kubota subcompacts were revolutionary in their performance. They broke the mold, and set entirely new expectations of how small tractors could be used. They were neither scaled-up garden tractors nor scaled-down farm tractors - they were a class unto themselves. That gave them a monopoly for a while. Kinda like Ford with the Model A....

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Yep, got my kubota ad this week, no free mower decks..

Should relabel this the Seinfeld thread, a lot about nothing. It's getting about as comical. All we need is,

"No BX for you!!"

 

[Jchonline]

Well I just wanted to thank Messick's for their videos. It really takes a bunch of time setting up and post processing this content. They are very helpful and if anything show that they are committed to helping consumers make an informed decision. I wish there was a dealership that did as good of a job on MFs, NHs, JDs, etc. As consumers we would all be more informed as a result. In addition, we should not discourage a dealer from participating in these forum discussions. Their perspective is often beneficial to us as owners and potential buyers. Sure we have to keep in mind what they do, but it is nice to have some input from the other side of the desk.

Thanks Messick's crew!

 

[AxleHub]

Buckeyefarmer

Good thing you aren't a news reporter or we'd still be hearing about 2017 breaking stories.

https://www.kubotausa.com/promo/bx-series-deal

 

[paulfun9]

Greetings Fellow TBNers,


My point is that Kubota is doing some things this last 6 months that it has not done before to attempt to maintain its marketshare for the BX product line. And I provided some quite specific examples (free deck and $99 a month and on larger units $129 per month).

jmho

The hole problem with your post is you automatically assume your hypothesis on why they are offering those promotions is due to competition. For all any of us that were not in the board room know they simply may have wanted to move more units to help cover costs that came from or will come from a major acquisition.
Sadly we who are not in the room will not know including Messicks, so I honestly doubt you will ever get a response that you approve of or completely agree with.


Now to be totally honest with my response I would think the choice to offer some incentives for buyers was or would have been made not totally due to one factor but many combined.