Pushing Water Uphill: PTO pump or HF Predator?

[leonz]

No the Jet pump will pump from the creek to the water tower.

A two inch transfer pump will only push water at a high volume under low pressure with resistance so far and a fire pump and the hose need for a fire pump will run him almost 4 figures at least not including sales tax.

Between the pump wire the jet pump and the 500 foot of poly pipe and fittings he may be looking at $1100.00.


A mud pump/diaphram pump will will work but he will need an air compressor and hose and the mud pump depending
on the brand will be very expensive.Saying that a Gorman Rupp SandPiper pump will work BUT the smaller ones will not pump very long distances and elevations where a 2 pipe jet pump or submersible will work much better.

If he has a 110 volt generator great, he can hook up a direct burial cable to either pump and have all the water he needs without a 2 wire power cable and a switch.

 

[4570Man]

What about using a rv pump with a couple batteries and solar panels. If you had some kind of low water shut off you could set it and leave. That way the relatively slow pump time wouldn’t matter.

 

[4570Man]

I couldn’t find any rv water pumps but I did find other suitable 12 volt pumps. Does anyone know how much battery’s it would take to survive a 10 amp draw for about an hour? Edit. Maybe I wasn’t giving the solar panel enough credit. I found a 100 watt one for $100. Assuming that rating is accurate I’m thinking it and a single battery could provide enough power.

 

[bcp]

1000 pump on 540:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/162281-1000-rpm-pump-run-540-a.html

Bruce

 

[4570Man]

Have you considered the simplest idea of all and just catching the rain off the roof? I’ve got about 500-700 square feet of roof draining into a 2500 gallon tank and one hard rain will fill it.

 

[crazyal]

I have a Harbor Freight 97cc water pump (not sure if they sell it now). I use it to fill a IBC with river water. I put the pump on the beach near the river and the tank is on a trailer about 15' above the pump. My guess is it takes about 5 minutes to fill the tank and the motor is unbelievably quiet. The only issue I had was when I didn't drain the gas and didn't use it for 2 years. But all it took was removing the drain from the float bowl to drain all the bad gas then fill it wil fresh gas and it started right up. I can't tell you that it'll last decades of daily use but for occasional use it works just fine. What I did is talked to the local fire department. They often have hose that has expired they give away. That's what I use for the discharge. I added PVC pipe to the end with two elbows so I could easily hook it to the IBC.

 

[Fallon]

I couldn’t find any rv water pumps but I did find other suitable 12 volt pumps. Does anyone know how much battery’s it would take to survive a 10 amp draw for about an hour? Edit. Maybe I wasn’t giving the solar panel enough credit. I found a 100 watt one for $100. Assuming that rating is accurate I’m thinking it and a single battery could provide enough power.

Amps * Volts = Watts

So a 10@ automotive voltage pump is going to be around 1,200 watts.

Not viable off a solar panel at all. You are looking at $1 per watt for solar power. $40 for a charge controller.

Most batteries are going to be rated for amp hours. That just means it will produce 1 amp for that many hours or that number of amps for one hour (in theory, generally as pacaty decreases as the drain goes up).

A car battery sized deep cycle battery might be rated for 100ah. But if you draw a battery down it will start to get damaged. Generally you dont want to drain a car battery below 70%, or a deep cycle below 50%. You could mitigate that with some electronics to only run the pump until the battery is slightly discharged then let it charge back up.

I'm not sure what the lower bounds for amp draw on a pump would be that can reasonably pump the heights you need at a flow rate that could fill the tower in several days.

RV pumps are generally a couple gpm & pushing 10@. So a couple hours to fill an IBC tote.

I'm sure solar can get the job done, but won't be super cheap & easy. And unless you throw a lot of $$$ at it it's going to be slow (which may or may not be an issue if you have days to fill).

 

[Fallon]

UV (Sun) is going to kill PVC. Based on what I've seen for polly pipe for sprinkler systems laying around dead it's likely torn up by UV too. Luckily paint is a great UV protectant, although you have to redo it from time to time.

 

[52wej]

So what is your source of water? Is is the creek or a well? That was not clear. The small 79cc pump is great if you are filling up a tank and then emptying the tank at another location. But it will not push the water very far or high, except as you have proposed. I have one and use it to fill 2 IBC tanks on my wagon from the creek which is 1 mile from my garden as I do not want to use my well water. Mine has there 1" fittings and take about 10 minutes to fill each tank with nearly 300 gals of water. If you are using a well or even the creek, there is no reason you can't use a small electric pump, and simply lay the black poly pipe on the ground for summertime use. From what you have described you need about 250' of 1" pipe. W. Jones

 

[CincyFlyer]

Amps * Volts = Watts

So a 10@ automotive voltage pump is going to be around 1,200 watts.

Not viable off a solar panel at all. You are looking at $1 per watt for solar power. $40 for a charge controller.

Most batteries are going to be rated for amp hours. That just means it will produce 1 amp for that many hours or that number of amps for one hour (in theory, generally as pacaty decreases as the drain goes up).

A car battery sized deep cycle battery might be rated for 100ah. But if you draw a battery down it will start to get damaged. Generally you dont want to drain a car battery below 70%, or a deep cycle below 50%. You could mitigate that with some electronics to only run the pump until the battery is slightly discharged then let it charge back up.

I'm not sure what the lower bounds for amp draw on a pump would be that can reasonably pump the heights you need at a flow rate that could fill the tower in several days.

RV pumps are generally a couple gpm & pushing 10@. So a couple hours to fill an IBC tote.

I'm sure solar can get the job done, but won't be super cheap & easy. And unless you throw a lot of $$$ at it it's going to be slow (which may or may not be an issue if you have days to fill).

Actually, ten amps at twelve volts (nominal) gives 120 watts, or about 1/6 HP.