Your Land is my Land

   / Your Land is my Land #171  
DB Pilot,. I live in Erie county, guess you are closer to Erie PA. There is a saying around here, often carved on mantle pieces, "Every tree is good for its use".

I do exactly what your neighbor does. The reasoning is as a farmer land is to be used for what it's good for. I let another farm use one of my roads because it would be an afront to nature, and against the concept of being a steward of the land for more good land to be destroyed into a road. In your case mowed. You didn't say anything about making hay on your side, just that one of you would mow it. Good use for the tree?

You also didn't mention who installed the trellis. Contractors typically do that. They want to maximize the billable distance of installed trellis and went right to the line forcing this on both of you.

We had one neighbor who we had turned trucks around on some of his grass (dry hard ground, no rutting) park his collection of trailers to block us off the next day. He has two tree stands, built on scaffolding and large enough to require a building permit on my property. His septic system was installed with my backhoe (and fuel). The waterlines between pumphouse, house, barn ,shop and goat pens were installed with my backhoe,(and fuel), the dirt he started moving into the rotting stump holes in his yard happened to grow the sudex cover crop I'd planted the day before. His current shop was built using my backhoe after a fire in his old one.

When you drive on wet soil you compact it. Squeezing the air out and making life almost impossible in the soil, (it becomes dirt then). No matter how many times I try to explain to him that he can't drive all over"WHEN THE SOIL IS WET" he runs his 4wheeler around. Forgive us our trespass as we forgive those....... Never mind that's just BS people say in church.

I'm going to catch a lot of grief on this.

Get your survey. Have a copy sent to him. Build a barrier and yell, "Mine! Mine! Not Yours!" over it until he cuts the end rows off or has a group home for serial rapists built, or a 24hr gas station, or a new grain handling facility, pig barn, Pomace compost site, because someone driving on your grass....And then discover he's been pissed about where you have been pushing your snow, or what it looks like you did hunting, for years.

Or maybe get your survey, and him a copy. Then explain that you don't like his employees parking, the equipment repairs, or someone else mowing your land because it isn't what you see as its best use. But do this at the right time. A sign at the end of a long row that is impossible to back out from or turn around in is going to get pulled and thrown.

When it comes to erratic behavior, (hunt, don't hunt) when did you talk to him? I've had so many people come and ask when I have employees on the clock, rain on the way, customers calling, a pile of papers on the desk, my kids are playing ball and some guy wants to know about deer hunting!!!! DB Pilot do you fly? Can I come and discuss driving on the grass you can't get mowed while you are preparing for take off, landing?
 
   / Your Land is my Land #172  
All I have to say about "adverse possession" is what you read here, don't believe or take everything as law. It varies by state and has been successfully used many times by people who hire lawyers that know the laws.
 
   / Your Land is my Land #173  
DB Pilot,. I live in Erie county, guess you are closer to Erie PA. There is a saying around here, often carved on mantle pieces, "Every tree is good for its use".

I do exactly what your neighbor does. ...

Stop right there.

So since you do it, it's okay?

I'll tell you what, you may be the steward of the land you own, but you aint about to steward on mine.
 
   / Your Land is my Land #174  
I just happened on this discussion and I'm a fairly new member. It's interesting because my place used to be a farm, then a neighbor bought most of the land in mid 70s, built a great big house. He passed away and I asked his descendant if I could buy land which I did. It borders five neighbors. From day one there were cows on it...which we thought was ok. But then every day I would see and hear ATVs running around on it. Then one day a bull! Seems another neighbor's bull tore down fence and cow neighbor said it was ok!!!!!
Then I'm working and this kid comes up "can I hunt?".
That was the last straw. I asked wife, am I running a public park? So I was speaking with my insurance agent who said I was open to lawsuits, then told me two horror stories of people given permission to ride ATVs, etc., getting injured and sueing.
So I locked gates and put up no trespassing/hunting signs. I wrote agents name and phone number to give to neighbors to call which they did explaining I didn't have insurance coverage for that.
It will cover our stuff, horses, etc. It's much more peaceful now. People will take advantage.
 
   / Your Land is my Land #175  
Hmmmmmmm,, neighbor, who grows grapes will not comply with a request to not use my property??

I think,, one night after dark, I would spray my clover with 2-4,D,,, especially if the wind was blowing,,,

No, I would not do that!! :confused2:

I did have a neighbor that insisted that he was going to fix the cattle fence that is our border.
He had his attorney send me a letter to that effect,,
I knew his intent was to bring a tractor with a post driver and a truck which would block my driveway.
I called his attorney,, explained what the guy wanted to do,,
the attorney sent HIS OWN CUSTOMER a letter telling him he could not drive on my property.

The attorney thought the guy wanted to step over the fence to work on the fence.
The attorney even stated on the phone that the guy could not drive on my property.
 
   / Your Land is my Land #176  
Unbelievable! If the O.P. ever carried through with some of the suggestions by comments in this thread, he'd be in so much trouble with the law that he would have wished he had given that strip of land to his neighbor. :confused3:
 
   / Your Land is my Land #177  
Unbelievable! If the O.P. ever carried through with some of the suggestions by comments in this thread, he'd be in so much trouble with the law that he would have wished he had given that strip of land to his neighbor. :confused3:

Yes.

Talk is cheap -- some actions can be very costly.

Steve
 
   / Your Land is my Land #178  
DB Pilot,. I live in Erie county, guess you are closer to Erie PA. There is a saying around here, often carved on mantle pieces, "Every tree is good for its use".

I do exactly what your neighbor does. The reasoning is as a farmer land is to be used for what it's good for. I let another farm use one of my roads because it would be an afront to nature, and against the concept of being a steward of the land for more good land to be destroyed into a road. In your case mowed. You didn't say anything about making hay on your side, just that one of you would mow it. Good use for the tree?

You also didn't mention who installed the trellis. Contractors typically do that. They want to maximize the billable distance of installed trellis and went right to the line forcing this on both of you.

We had one neighbor who we had turned trucks around on some of his grass (dry hard ground, no rutting) park his collection of trailers to block us off the next day. He has two tree stands, built on scaffolding and large enough to require a building permit on my property. His septic system was installed with my backhoe (and fuel). The waterlines between pumphouse, house, barn ,shop and goat pens were installed with my backhoe,(and fuel), the dirt he started moving into the rotting stump holes in his yard happened to grow the sudex cover crop I'd planted the day before. His current shop was built using my backhoe after a fire in his old one.

When you drive on wet soil you compact it. Squeezing the air out and making life almost impossible in the soil, (it becomes dirt then). No matter how many times I try to explain to him that he can't drive all over"WHEN THE SOIL IS WET" he runs his 4wheeler around. Forgive us our trespass as we forgive those....... Never mind that's just BS people say in church.

I'm going to catch a lot of grief on this.

Get your survey. Have a copy sent to him. Build a barrier and yell, "Mine! Mine! Not Yours!" over it until he cuts the end rows off or has a group home for serial rapists built, or a 24hr gas station, or a new grain handling facility, pig barn, Pomace compost site, because someone driving on your grass....And then discover he's been pissed about where you have been pushing your snow, or what it looks like you did hunting, for years.

Or maybe get your survey, and him a copy. Then explain that you don't like his employees parking, the equipment repairs, or someone else mowing your land because it isn't what you see as its best use. But do this at the right time. A sign at the end of a long row that is impossible to back out from or turn around in is going to get pulled and thrown.

When it comes to erratic behavior, (hunt, don't hunt) when did you talk to him? I've had so many people come and ask when I have employees on the clock, rain on the way, customers calling, a pile of papers on the desk, my kids are playing ball and some guy wants to know about deer hunting!!!! DB Pilot do you fly? Can I come and discuss driving on the grass you can't get mowed while you are preparing for take off, landing?

Yeah, you try that on my land, and we're going to have a "Come to Jesus Meeting". And you will not enjoy it.

Pretty simple, stay off my land. It's not there for your convenience.
 
   / Your Land is my Land #179  
Stop right there.

So since you do it, it's okay?

I'll tell you what, you may be the steward of the land you own, but you aint about to steward on mine.

I agree.

Some folks have a lotta **** nerve.
 

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