Loader lift capacity on Grand L 5460/6060 HST cab

[PA hayseed]

L47 will lift 1 ton plus, HST+, great hoe, but no factory Cab & expensive.

Still if you need stability to safely lift a ton to full height, and a larger tractor is safer, if not stronger.

Wow, the loader specs for that machine are significantly higher than the L60's.

 

[Fallon]

Wow, the loader specs for that machine are significantly higher than the L60's.

The L47 is an industrial TBL rather than an ag machine. It's got a real frame I believe rather than just bolting the transmission housing to the engine to hold the machine together. It's designed to be abused with a hoe day in & day out. They tend to be 30% heavier per HP or something in that ballpark. The loaders aren't quick removable like on the Grands either.

I'd have looked at em harder, but I was upgrading to a cabbed machine & they have no cab options. They are also a fair bit more expensive than the Grands too.

 

[JimP]

Thank you for the information, and the pic, but I have a couple of follow up questions if you don't mind.

1- what year is your tractor? New or older (because specs change from year to year on some models)

2- other than modified tires on the front, and appropriate counterweight, have you made any other modifications to your tractor that would affect performance?

3- How long are your forks and are they heavy duty (more of a weight question, and weight distribution question).

4- 2400 load, is that 2050 for pallet and pellets and a rough estimate of 350 for forks?

TIA for responses.

Tractor is a 5460-1 2014 vintage. Loader is LA1055.

No modifications. I bought the tractor as a used winter rental from Marshall Machinery with a little over 200 hours.. The loader was originally unable to pick up a round bale with only about 1200 psi at the loader ports. Marshall Machinery sent a loaner up (3 hours each way), picked up my tractor and adjusted hydraulic pressure to high end of spec.

Forks are 48 inch skid steer forks. They were free and have no ID left on so not sure how heavy duty they are. Forks are 1 inch at the mount and I'm guessing about 300 - 400 pounds.



2400 is my guess for pallet, pellets and forks. Could be a little less but I was not maxed out on lift capacity.

The surprising thing was the tractor was stable front to back and didn't want to nose down. Of course the Michelin front tires have a lot higher load capacity and the heavy box blade on the back is a must.

Jim

 

[PA hayseed]

Tractor is a 5460-1 2014 vintage. Loader is LA1055.

No modifications. I bought the tractor as a used winter rental from Marshall Machinery with a little over 200 hours.. The loader was originally unable to pick up a round bale with only about 1200 psi at the loader ports. Marshall Machinery sent a loaner up (3 hours each way), picked up my tractor and adjusted hydraulic pressure to high end of spec.

Forks are 48 inch skid steer forks. They were free and have no ID left on so not sure how heavy duty they are. Forks are 1 inch at the mount and I'm guessing about 300 - 400 pounds.

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2400 is my guess for pallet, pellets and forks. Could be a little less but I was not maxed out on lift capacity.

The surprising thing was the tractor was stable front to back and didn't want to nose down. Of course the Michelin front tires have a lot higher load capacity and the heavy box blade on the back is a must.

Jim

Thanks for the follow up information and pics. My forks are roughly the same, so it should be an equivalent. I'll have to talk to the kubota people and see what they can do about the loader and ask some questions about the specs. Thanks again.

 

[dstig1]

I have the previous generation L5240. I have lifted pallets of mortar out of the back of my 3/4 ton PU on several occasions when doing stone work. 80 lb bags x5 per layer x 5 layers = 2000 lbs plus pallet plus ~400 lbs for 48" forks on my QA loader. I forget the loader model number but it was the largest one for the L40's. Beet juice in the rears (R4s) and a 700 lb rear blade as ballast/counterweight. I definitely took it slow as it was getting light but it handled it just fine. If i was going to do that more regularly i would probably look for more weight on the 3pt.

 

[bdhsfz6]

Tractor is a 5460-1 2014 vintage. Loader is LA1055.

No modifications. I bought the tractor as a used winter rental from Marshall Machinery with a little over 200 hours.. The loader was originally unable to pick up a round bale with only about 1200 psi at the loader ports. Marshall Machinery sent a loaner up (3 hours each way), picked up my tractor and adjusted hydraulic pressure to high end of spec.

Forks are 48 inch skid steer forks. They were free and have no ID left on so not sure how heavy duty they are. Forks are 1 inch at the mount and I'm guessing about 300 - 400 pounds.

View attachment 558489View attachment 558490View attachment 558491

2400 is my guess for pallet, pellets and forks. Could be a little less but I was not maxed out on lift capacity.

The surprising thing was the tractor was stable front to back and didn't want to nose down. Of course the Michelin front tires have a lot higher load capacity and the heavy box blade on the back is a must.

Jim

I purchased my L6060 HST and LA1055 FEL in 2017 also from Marshall Machinery. They are only a mile down the road from my place. My 48" pallet forks appear to be identical to the one in your picture. The 1730# max lift capacity I tested was with the max recommended 2600# of pressure measured at the FEL port.

I would love to know how you manage to lift 500+# more than my nearly identical machine. I know it is possible to bump up the FEL port pressure by 10% or so above max. Perhaps that is what Marshall did with your 5460. Do you have a way of testing it? I'll ask about a possible modification to my L6060 next time I'm at the dealer.

I was also surprised at how stable the L6060 was handling the (albeit slightly less) load with a 1000# implement on the 3pt.

In any case, thanks for posting your results.

 

[mike69440]

Remember that 10% more Pressure is more than 10% more Lift capacity as it takes 300-400 Psig just to lift an empty FEL I you are just picking a ton off a P/U truck on a Pallet, the Big Grand L load should just do it with Pressures set to say 2750 Psi. As long as you stay under 2900-3000 Psig, and do not stupid stuff, you will most likely be ok.

 

[npalen]

Something to consider might be an aftermarket loader for a new tractor. An example would be a Westendorf TA-111 FEL as shown in the attached link which I recently added to my "loaderless" Mahindra 3015.
The Mahindra ML110 loader for the 3015 is rated at 1350 lbs at the pin at full height while the TA-111 is rated at @ 2100 lbs at that point and the same 2000 PSI relief setting. (interpolated the TA-111 specs of two given PSI)

I did some measuring of the actual geometry of the 2" bore lift cylinders and loader arms on the Mahindra/TA-111 this morning and came up with these numbers with the BUCKET ON THE GROUND:

Breakout force at bucket pins--4158 pounds
Breakout force at 24" ahead of pins--2955 pounds

I realize that the loader loses capacity as it raises so I also did the calcs with the bucket FULL RAISED:

Fully raised at the bucket pins --2163 pounds
Fully raised at 24" ahead of pins--1540 pounds

Might also mention that the Westendorf TA-111 is 97" from ground to pins at full height where the Mahindra ML110 is shown at 95.5".

The 2955 pounds breakout force must be adjusted for weight of the attachment, weight of half of the loader arm length and friction. I would estimate that at about 600 pounds leaving @ 2355 pounds of actual lift capacity at ground level and 24" ahead of the pins.

TA-111 | Westendorf
TractorData.com Mahindra 315 tractor attachments information

Might mention that the TA-111 is one of the smaller Westendorf (Onawa, IA) loaders.
1 Series | Westendorf

Edit: Loaders and specs to fit various tractors can be found here:
Loader Selector | Westendorf

 

[majorwager]

Nelson.
You raise a very valid option for the OP. Glad the Westendorf option worked out for you. There is a U Tube farm channel, "onelonelyfarmer" deliberate mispelling, and he has just purchased a westendorf for a large Ag tractor. He is in NJ, and will be driving to the factory to pick up the loader, not sure of model. He has posted references to contacts w/ their office. They sound like very nice fiolks,


Nice to see your post, hope all is well.

 

[npalen]

Bill--nice to hear from you!
I've watched and enjoy several of "onelonelyfarmer" videos. Where did you see the posts that you mentioned?

onelonleyfarmer
- YouTube

Attached photo of the Mahindra 5030 with Westendord TA-111 loader might be captioned "Grandpa's New Digs"