Is Rock and Roll dead. Part 2.

[MossRoad]

Goodnight Johnboy.

 

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Can't wait for this...: Tom Petty 羨n American Treasure Track List Revealed, New Song Drops Variety
track list included...

BTW...got to see Ten Years After at a festival concert...later saw Alvin Lee & Mylon LeFevre in a much smaller venue...

 

[mjarrels]

I'm going home by helicopter.

mark

 

[MossRoad]

I'm going home by helicopter.

mark

NOOOOoooooo....

 

[N80]

LZ is/was hardly the epitome of R&R...ask anyone that is NOT a fanboy or zep aficionado to name one of their songs and they will likely only be able to name StH...

You could say the same thing about Robert Johnson. That hardly means that he wasn't a superstar in his own right and it certainly is no measure of his influence on rock via the blues. So that's no real measure of a band. The 'man on the street' these days is unlikely to be able to name more than a song or two by any band that has been gone for 40 years. And that includes the Beatles and Elvis. Most of them could probably name all of Justin Bieber's songs though.

Not really sure what your gripe with LZ is. They are what they are. And what they are is the one of if not the most influential bands in rock history if you take into account how many musicians cite them as an influence even to this day. Including two of the young acts I've mentioned here: The Struts and Gary Clark, Jr. Clark cites Page as one of his prime influences. The influence on Greta Van Fleet is hard to miss, obviously. Recently saw Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins say Bonham was the best drummer ever.

No problem with hating on LZ. I get it. They aren't for everybody. Especially if the only song they know is Stairway and think that all their music sounds like that. Are they the epitome of rock and roll? Of course they are. There are only two names higher: Beatles and Stones. A matter of debate? Sure. So knock them down to number 10 on the list. Still the epitome of rock and roll. Take them out of the top ten and you're just daydreaming.

I'll say it again, look up In My Time of Dying, When the Levee Breaks (based on song by Memphis Minnie), Bring It On Home (based on song by Sonny Boy Williamson), How Many More Times (based on Howlin' Wolf song) and then tell me Zep all sounds like STH. These are the deep cuts that made Zep what they were.

And this also speaks to what someone said about copying other bands. I absolutely agree its okay. Its even fine to do a remake. But if a band does that there needs to be some added artistic value and the band needs to put its mark on it. Not easy. And I just don't hear that in any of Greta Van Fleet's stuff. I think they're on the right track, but I'm not compelled enough to buy any of it. I'd go see them play though.

 

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You could say the same thing about Robert Johnson. That hardly means that he wasn't a superstar in his own right and it certainly is no measure of his influence on rock via the blues. So that's no real measure of a band. The 'man on the street' these days is unlikely to be able to name more than a song or two by any band that has been gone for 40 years. And that includes the Beatles and Elvis. Most of them could probably name all of Justin Bieber's songs though.

Not really sure what your gripe with LZ is. They are what they are. And what they are is the one of if not the most influential bands in rock history if you take into account how many musicians cite them as an influence even to this day. Including two of the young acts I've mentioned here: The Struts and Gary Clark, Jr. Clark cites Page as one of his prime influences. The influence on Greta Van Fleet is hard to miss, obviously. Recently saw Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins say Bonham was the best drummer ever.

No problem with hating on LZ. I get it. They aren't for everybody. Especially if the only song they know is Stairway and think that all their music sounds like that. Are they the epitome of rock and roll? Of course they are. There are only two names higher: Beatles and Stones. A matter of debate? Sure. So knock them down to number 10 on the list. Still the epitome of rock and roll. Take them out of the top ten and you're just daydreaming.

I'll say it again, look up In My Time of Dying, When the Levee Breaks (based on song by Memphis Minnie), Bring It On Home (based on song by Sonny Boy Williamson), How Many More Times (based on Howlin' Wolf song) and then tell me Zep all sounds like STH. These are the deep cuts that made Zep what they were.

And this also speaks to what someone said about copying other bands. I absolutely agree its okay. Its even fine to do a remake. But if a band does that there needs to be some added artistic value and the band needs to put its mark on it. Not easy. And I just don't hear that in any of Greta Van Fleet's stuff. I think they're on the right track, but I'm not compelled enough to buy any of it. I'd go see them play though.

I do not have a thing against LZ...you just seem like an obsessed groupie like fanboy about them and take any criticism as hate or dislike. ...much of the R&R I prefer originated with the musicians that were an influence on Plant, Page etc...I had their albums...I saw them live but like I said in my first post citing them...they are overrated...

 

[MossRoad]

I guess the question would be "Over-rated by who?"
Pretty much everyone that complies a list, or the people that vote for who's on that list?
Or maybe by the people that just don't like them?

:confused3:

So, Let's find a "greatest rock band of all time" type list that does't list Led Zeppelin.... just to see if they are overrated...

Best Rock Bands of All Time - Top Ten List - TheTopTens(R)
Best Rock Bands of All Time | List of Greatest Rock Artists
Ten Greatest Rock Bands of All Time | Spinditty
The 1 best rock bands ever - TODAY.com
The top selling rock bands of all time
https://thebestschools.org/magazine/rock-roll-revisited/
https://247sports.com/college/texas...10-Greatest-Rock-Bands-of-All-Time-114318319/

Well, that's not gonna happen anytime soon.... :laughing:

So, for your enjoyment...

 

[Tompet]

I don' think rock and roll is dead....just older! I know there are good new bands and musicians, it's just the business model has changed, social media, dilution or fracturing of audiences (shorter attention spans?) etc.

Having said that, I keep this on my phone...two birds with one stone...I think the two background photos behind stage during this performance are great.

[4] Jeff Beck Band - "A Day in the Life" HD - YouTube

 

[robbyr]

You could say the same thing about Robert Johnson. That hardly means that he wasn't a superstar in his own right and it certainly is no measure of his influence on rock via the blues. So that's no real measure of a band. The 'man on the street' these days is unlikely to be able to name more than a song or two by any band that has been gone for 40 years. And that includes the Beatles and Elvis. Most of them could probably name all of Justin Bieber's songs though.

Not really sure what your gripe with LZ is. They are what they are. And what they are is the one of if not the most influential bands in rock history if you take into account how many musicians cite them as an influence even to this day. Including two of the young acts I've mentioned here: The Struts and Gary Clark, Jr. Clark cites Page as one of his prime influences. The influence on Greta Van Fleet is hard to miss, obviously. Recently saw Dave Grohl and Taylor Hawkins say Bonham was the best drummer ever.

No problem with hating on LZ. I get it. They aren't for everybody. Especially if the only song they know is Stairway and think that all their music sounds like that. Are they the epitome of rock and roll? Of course they are. There are only two names higher: Beatles and Stones. A matter of debate? Sure. So knock them down to number 10 on the list. Still the epitome of rock and roll. Take them out of the top ten and you're just daydreaming.

I'll say it again, look up In My Time of Dying, When the Levee Breaks (based on song by Memphis Minnie), Bring It On Home (based on song by Sonny Boy Williamson), How Many More Times (based on Howlin' Wolf song) and then tell me Zep all sounds like STH. These are the deep cuts that made Zep what they were.

And this also speaks to what someone said about copying other bands. I absolutely agree its okay. Its even fine to do a remake. But if a band does that there needs to be some added artistic value and the band needs to put its mark on it. Not easy. And I just don't hear that in any of Greta Van Fleet's stuff. I think they're on the right track, but I'm not compelled enough to buy any of it. I'd go see them play though.

Personally I’ve always liked Led Zep. At one time we’re my favorite. Have never liked the Beatles or the Stones. Go figure.

 

[N80]

I do not have a thing against LZ...you just seem like an obsessed groupie like fanboy about them and take any criticism as hate or dislike. ...much of the R&R I prefer originated with the musicians that were an influence on Plant, Page etc...I had their albums...I saw them live but like I said in my first post citing them...they are overrated...

"Obsessed groupie like fanboy". I love that. You proposed that LZ is overrated. That is a claim that is impossible to support other than just as one person's simple opinion. I cited evidence that LZ is not overrated. And that makes me a fanboy. I never said there was anything wrong with not liking LZ; in fact I said several times that I can understand why someone might not like them. And if I'm a "fanboy" for pointing out that LZ really can't be overrated then I guess I'm a fanboy. But, I never claimed that they cured cancer, won a Nobel prize or solved world hunger.

So it would seem that the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim to the contrary of the obvious. It is all subjective of course, which makes all this kind of silly. But, to say you don't like LZ would be a fact that no one could dispute. To say they are overrated would require some evidence since that seems a bit improbable.....and it also hinges a lot on what you mean by 'overrated'.

I am not a big fan of the Stones. I don't own any of their music. I don't particular care about them as individuals. But I would never claim they are overrated. In fact, I think they are the greatest rock band of all time....for their body or work, their influence and the fact that they are still here. And I think that anyone who says LZ is overrated would have to include the Beatles and the Stones as overrated too.