Dangerous times even in small town

[Sigarms]

Yep, good points. I prefer a weapon that will put a person on the ground no matter where they got hit. A 22 won't do it. However, preferences are one thing, finances another. My 'freind is a 22 mag.

You don't think you won't go down if you take a .22LR to the head?

My other point which I didn't bring up is it's ALL about shot placement and how well you hit what you're aiming at.

 

[prof fate]

"Whoa there Mr Burglar, turn your head and stand still please"

Sorry, 22LR is good for some things - and like most any round if you hit THE RIGHT SPOT they're quite fatal...but that's gonna be a 'long shot' (pun intended) in a break in situation.

I've killed many a rabbit with one shot from a 22LR rifle. Groundhogs? Nope, not one yet. Put a cat down with a 22 pistol...not a fast process. Didn't hit anything vital I guess.

An issue with penetration is what the perp is wearing. A tshirt and he's a meth head that weights 90lb soaking wet - sure. If' he's got a couple fo layers, winter coat, is 250lb then you need 'more power' as tim Allen would say.

From the article: "We used .22 LR to kill 400lb hogs on butchering day. One shot in the center of the forehead and down they dropped, with nothing but a grunt and muscle spasms. You had to climb in the pen and grab the hind legs as they spasmed and kicked so they would not bruise up the hams."


I've shot many feral hogs in the trap using a .22 and shot them right in the ear. They never spasmed, kicked or even squealed, just fell over dead.



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[prof fate]

Good article here - Handgun Wounding Effectiveness Guide for Law Enforcement

From the article

If a bullet destroys about two ounces of tissue in its passage through the body, that represents 0.07 of one percent of the mass of a 180-pound man. And while it may certainly be lethal, a body count is no evidence of incapacitation. More people in this country have probably been killed by .22 rimfires than all other calibers combined which, based on body count, would compel the use of .22s for self-defense. But, more importantly, what did the individual do when hit?

Does caliber matter? I can't find the study i ready, but the author compiled guns shot wounds over a 10 year period. 50% of perps stopped when shot once - who wants shot twice, right? But not all stopped...the only true stopper was a rifle, followed by 357 magnum.

this is an interesting article on caliber and deadliness - a bit anti-gun, sorry.

Gun control study shows the larger-caliber the gun, the deadlier it is - Vox

My only point with the 22LR article is getting into a debate with what bullet works best for "home defense" is a lot like debating what caliber works best. Something is better than nothing, and I don't care what the caliber or bullet, I don't want to be shot at with anything.

 

[Sysop]

If it is good enough for them, it is good enough for me...

 

[Fuddy1952]

By the bed I keep an S&W .44mag and a Glock 9mm, 15 round clip+1 in chamber. They're loaded alternating hollow point, green jacket & buckshot.
I tell wife just grab both if I'm not there. Afterwards I'm sure I'd have to do more than repaint the walls...(What walls).

 

[plowhog]

this is an interesting article on caliber and deadliness - a bit anti-gun, sorry.

That is one of the most poorly written articles I have read in some time. Vague and dubious claims without data or evidence to back it up. It seems the author wanted to write an anti-gun piece and searched around for some topic to disguise it with.

The claim is that having folks armed with small caliber guns would reduce gun deaths by 40% compared to if they had "large caliber" guns. The .38 is in their definition of "small caliber" and a .357 is in their definition of "large caliber." I have a revolver or two that uses .357 caliber but also happily shoots .38 caliber. It's the same diameter bullet-- just a bit more powder for the .357 making the bullet travel at a faster speed when it comes out of the barrel.

So ... if you took away everyone's .357 handgun and replaced them with .38 caliber handguns, would shooting deaths (for those guns) drop by 40%. Of course not.

 

[RoyKing]

The FBI has given up on 40cal and moved to 9mm and the new 9mm pass all FBI penetration tests. However for most of us we won't be shooting through windshields or drywall. What FBI based on was forensic examination of wound cavities and found no difference between 9mm and 40 cal. Having killed a variety of critters who don't know what they are supposed to do when shot, bigger is always better because shot placement is difficult. So having carried since Fl first issued and having used my ccw in several occasions, didn't shoot anybody, heres what I've learned. Be aware don't let any strangers approach with out making an aggressive response upon first noticing. Never let anybody within arms reach. Now I've gone to a pocket 9mm with laser from a double stack shorty 45acp because of weight. You are not allowed to threaten people by pointing a gun, or actually intimidate someone by brandishing. So when anyone approaches in a very loud voice announce you feel threatened and for them to stay back, regardless of stand your ground retreat and place objects between you, shopping carts, poles, cars and keep repeating your warning. At the first hint of a problem my hand is on my gun in my pocket, if repeated warnings fail, out comes the gun laser on, problem usually stops before even necessary to point. However if they are high enough that won't have any effect, then it comes down to the question you should decide before you started to carry will I kill somebody. Now in my younger days I pistol whipped one unarmed purse snatcher, Double stack 45 to the head was all that was needed, I've shot twice at two thugs who robbed me at a gas station and were returning not satisfied with first take of small bills and credit cards they were both armed about 15/20 feet away I was behind a car door sitting on the rocker panel gun through open window. There guns were pointing down trying to conceal the robbery in progress at night. As they approached I put one round in the dirt right in front of each there feet, they did the whilly coyote fast retreat. I policed my brass and informed the police I was shot at since there was no witnesses except station attendant who came out after the shots. Also was followed one night into a dark parking lot by two large dark fellows I spun around thrust my hand into my gun purse and asked if they had any reason for being here they said no and left. Had three or four other kinds of gun related interactions. Criminals understand fear and aggression and I guess you could say I've always convinced them my aggression will come first. However I'm very confident of my gun handling skills, competitive shooter and I still compete weekly. Your mileage may vary. So don't ever involve yourself in someone else's violence it will end badly, and don't carry a gun unless you know you will be able to kill them, carry mace, to be really safe carry bear mace it will shoot twenty feet. Today maybe a cell phone recording the attack would help deter.

 

[k0ua]

That is one of the most poorly written articles I have read in some time. Vague and dubious claims without data or evidence to back it up. It seems the author wanted to write an anti-gun piece and searched around for some topic to disguise it with.

The claim is that having folks armed with small caliber guns would reduce gun deaths by 40% compared to if they had "large caliber" guns. The .38 is in their definition of "small caliber" and a .357 is in their definition of "large caliber." I have a revolver or two that uses .357 caliber but also happily shoots .38 caliber. It's the same diameter bullet-- just a bit more powder for the .357 making the bullet travel at a faster speed when it comes out of the barrel.

So ... if you took away everyone's .357 handgun and replaced them with .38 caliber handguns, would shooting deaths (for those guns) drop by 40%. Of course not.

357-38= 319 or put another way 357/38 =9.3... so it is obvious that 357 is over 9 times the caliber and therefor about 9 times the "power" So there, you can't even do simple math.

That is probably the way a lot of people think. Discussing guns with an anti-gunner is like discussing cars with a dog.

 

[MossRoad]

.... Discussing guns with an anti-gunner is like discussing cars with a dog.

Dog hears "CAR!" and gets excited. Going for a ride! Going for a ride!

 

[two_bit_score]

"Whoa there Mr Burglar, turn your head and stand still please"

Sorry, 22LR is good for some things - and like most any round if you hit THE RIGHT SPOT they're quite fatal...but that's gonna be a 'long shot' (pun intended) in a break in situation.

I've killed many a rabbit with one shot from a 22LR rifle. Groundhogs? Nope, not one yet. Put a cat down with a 22 pistol...not a fast process. Didn't hit anything vital I guess.

An issue with penetration is what the perp is wearing. A tshirt and he's a meth head that weights 90lb soaking wet - sure. If' he's got a couple fo layers, winter coat, is 250lb then you need 'more power' as tim Allen would say.

You’d probably be better off with a short barreled 12 ga shotgun.