Update on RX6010 with low hours motor failure

[Coyote machine]

It's clear folks are here for different reasons.

I'm here to help where I can, or in a thread like this where I don't have expertise, I'm here to learn. To do that I rely on the poster sharing their experience and other folks, more knowledgable than me, sharing their expertise. That requires the OP sticks around long enough to share details. In this case, he got driven away before ever giving sufficient details.

Some folks are here to make sure that no one gets away with saying bad things about Kioti tractors and folks are here to make sure that other folks don't ask for and don't get free stuff. It's clear that these folks have 'won' in this thread. Lots of telling us how out of warranty means you're just SOL and how 'folks today just want free stuff'. Both pretty useless lessons as far as I'm concerned.

In my opinion this is a lost opportunity. We're unlikely to ever learn the details of what happened here.

I can only hope that you guys will stick around this thread and be too busy slapping each other on the back and congratulating one another ('we told that guy', 'where does he get off', 'kioti can do no wrong') to drive away the next poster that might have something the rest of us can learn from.

Please give this 'thread' a break! There is nothing to learn here, for the most part. What exactly do YOU know about Kioti's? Being loyal to a brand one has LOTS of experience with isn't a crime, BTW, and if you're here to learn, as you say, then maybe it's time to learn that brand bashing a manufacturer is NOT OK.
And those who can't grasp the concept of what a limited term warranty actually means, definitely could use some schoolin', otherwise this 'thread' is virtually pointless.
You seem to want to pass judgement on what people's agenda's are or might be here; all I can say is I won't sit by and watch people who could/might become Kioti owners be driven off track by buying into false, misleading info about Kioti. Read my threads to find out what you say you want to learn. I'm telling it like it IS, with examples to prove my point(s). Lighten up....

 

[coobie]

It's clear folks are here for different reasons.

I'm here to help where I can, or in a thread like this where I don't have expertise, I'm here to learn. To do that I rely on the poster sharing their experience and other folks, more knowledgable than me, sharing their expertise. That requires the OP sticks around long enough to share details. In this case, he got driven away before ever giving sufficient details.

Some folks are here to make sure that no one gets away with saying bad things about Kioti tractors and folks are here to make sure that other folks don't ask for and don't get free stuff. It's clear that these folks have 'won' in this thread. Lots of telling us how out of warranty means you're just SOL and how 'folks today just want free stuff'. Both pretty useless lessons as far as I'm concerned.

In my opinion this is a lost opportunity. We're unlikely to ever learn the details of what happened here.

I can only hope that you guys will stick around this thread and be too busy slapping each other on the back and congratulating one another ('we told that guy', 'where does he get off', 'kioti can do no wrong') to drive away the next poster that might have something the rest of us can learn from.

You want to learn and share.Here is what I comprehend from the original poster.He has no warranty left on his kioti tractor PERIOD.Now he is pi$$ed then comes here to bash and cry about Kioti.He then thinks kioti should fix his engine for free.Pretty easy for me to comprehend.How about you?What do you read? I could give a red rats behind who won the thread.Maybe that,s more in your wheel house not mine.Let me ask you this if you were out of your warranty period say on a new car or truck would you expect the car/truck manufacture you purchased from to fix it for free?If so you are wrong..

 

[murph1]

It's clear folks are here for different reasons.

I'm here to help where I can, or in a thread like this where I don't have expertise, I'm here to learn. To do that I rely on the poster sharing their experience and other folks, more knowledgable than me, sharing their expertise. That requires the OP sticks around long enough to share details. In this case, he got driven away before ever giving sufficient details.

Some folks are here to make sure that no one gets away with saying bad things about Kioti tractors and folks are here to make sure that other folks don't ask for and don't get free stuff. It's clear that these folks have 'won' in this thread. Lots of telling us how out of warranty means you're just SOL and how 'folks today just want free stuff'. Both pretty useless lessons as far as I'm concerned.

In my opinion this is a lost opportunity. We're unlikely to ever learn the details of what happened here.

I can only hope that you guys will stick around this thread and be too busy slapping each other on the back and congratulating one another ('we told that guy', 'where does he get off', 'kioti can do no wrong') to drive away the next poster that might have something the rest of us can learn from.

Thou protest too much. What is you're real problem?? Company's have to draw the line somewhere and that line is when your warranty expires.

 

[CobyRupert]

Thou protest too much. What is you're real problem?? Company's have to draw the line somewhere and that line is when your warranty expires.

Yes, it's true you have to draw a line somewhere. We get that.

On the other hand, isn't it odd that if it broke with 10,000 hours on it at 3 years and 364 days Kioti would say "It's manufacturer's problem, we'll fix" but at 400 hours (and 2 days older than the 10,000hr machine) it's an owner problem.

Yep, you have to draw a line somewhere, I get that, but it sucks for OP if he wasn't responsible and it was a random low hour manufacturer defect. Some would even say not fair.

 

[coobie]

Yes, it's true you have to draw a line somewhere. We get that.

On the other hand, isn't it odd that if it broke with 10,000 hours on it at 3 years and 364 days Kioti would say "It's manufacturer's problem, we'll fix" but at 400 hours (and 2 days older than the 10,000hr machine) it's an owner problem.

Yep, you have to draw a line somewhere, I get that, but it sucks for OP if he wasn't responsible and it was a random low hour manufacturer defect. Some would even say not fair.

Every manufacture has there share of issues.My 2006 Kubota RTV 900 rear axle took a dump just out of my warranty period.I coughed up $960 bucks to fix it.So ya sometimes it,s just not fair.

 

[LouNY]

Yes, it's true you have to draw a line somewhere. We get that.

On the other hand, isn't it odd that if it broke with 10,000 hours on it at 3 years and 364 days Kioti would say "It's manufacturer's problem, we'll fix" but at 400 hours (and 2 days older than the 10,000hr machine) it's an owner problem.

Yep, you have to draw a line somewhere, I get that, but it sucks for OP if he wasn't responsible and it was a random low hour manufacturer defect. Some would even say not fair.

I have seen a few times when manufactures covered items past warranty, not often and it depended a lot on the dealer and the problem.
I have seen it with Ford, IH and even Deere.
In the case of the IH it was during union contract dispute and connecting rods got holes drilled in them.
That engine made it past warranty before a rod made a window in the block.

In this case I would like to see more of the problem and the damage with a better description.

 

[woolyAcres]

What is you're real problem??

My problem is I want to know/understand what happened to cause this guy's motor to fail at 450 hours. To me that's the only interesting part.

It makes little difference to me if he deserves or gets warranty work. But most of this thread has been about that instead. I don't understand why folks have zeroed in on that aspect and gotten so wrapped around the axle about it. Who cares? It doesn't bother me if he get something free. In fact, I'd love to hear that Kioti went out of their way to help him since the hours were so low even though it's out of warranty.

In my opinion, all the talk early in this thread about 'you don't deserve warranty work', 'you're a troll' drove him away and that's why we don't have the necessary details to figure out what happened even though there were some folks trying to understand and explain. It got overrun with warranty nonsense. And then the next 4 pages have been us debating the point of the thread and repeated comments about 'what do you expect? it's out of warranty'.

I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. I don't mind disagreements. But it would be nice if we could at least understand one another's arguments. My argument has been and remains, better treatment of this guy at the beginning may have gotten us the details we need to understand what happened. That's it.

I want to know why this guys engine failed. Can anyone still reading this ridiculous thread answer that?

 

[coobie]

My problem is I want to know/understand what happened to cause this guy's motor to fail at 450 hours. To me that's the only interesting part.

It makes little difference to me if he deserves or gets warranty work. But most of this thread has been about that instead. I don't understand why folks have zeroed in on that aspect and gotten so wrapped around the axle about it. Who cares? It doesn't bother me if he get something free. In fact, I'd love to hear that Kioti went out of their way to help him since the hours were so low even though it's out of warranty.

In my opinion, all the talk early in this thread about 'you don't deserve warranty work', 'you're a troll' drove him away and that's why we don't have the necessary details to figure out what happened even though there were some folks trying to understand and explain. It got overrun with warranty nonsense. And then the next 4 pages have been us debating the point of the thread and repeated comments about 'what do you expect? it's out of warranty'.

I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. I don't mind disagreements. But it would be nice if we could at least understand one another's arguments. My argument has been and remains, better treatment of this guy at the beginning may have gotten us the details we need to understand what happened. That's it.

I want to know why this guys engine failed. Can anyone still reading this ridiculous thread answer that?

And yet you are still here.If you don't care quit beating a dead horse.

 

[Coyote machine]

We know nothing about the tractor in this thread except the little bit the OP shared early on.
Life's not fair - get used to it. Sometimes for the dealer/manufacturer, sometimes for the buyer. It's the luck of the draw.

I suggest those who want warranties to be forever and free engines or similar more than a year out; please don't buy anything, your expectations are unrealistic and may end up costing the rest of us more when we go to buy something you purchased. How? Here's how: actuarials count every bean in a company, and the free stuff, especially after warranty can end up being billed to the next year's model year of tractor, truck or whatever.

If there is something to be learned here it's that companies want to survive too, and those who think that a company OWES the consumer something past warranty because of a supposed low hour failure are WRONG. If the OP had a bazillion hours on his tractor and it broke just before warranty expiration would the manufacture tell him he's out of luck because of the high miles? NO. They would be on the hook unless there was abuse or lack of routine maintenance.

One can't eat the cake and have it too. Too bad, soooo sad. End of story, lets move on, eh guys?:thumbsup:

 

[woolyAcres]

And yet you are still here.If you don't care quit beating a dead horse.

I'm getting the feeling you don't read what I write, you just respond and keep trying to shoe away anyone who doesn't agree with you on everything. I do care. I care about what caused this guy's problem and I care about the next new poster that comes along. I don't want that person written and riden off before all involved have a chance to learn something useful from each other.