Amsoil HD 5W40?

   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #61  
Well, I made that statement because Amsoil has been around longer than any other synthetic oil. And when I became a dealer in the 70's I needed a lot of information to read up on to convince me of the integrity of a "synthetic oil". Now mind you, I am not going to argue that Mobil1, or any of the other synthetic oils that have come onto the market in the last 20 years are inferior to Amsoil, all synthetic oils are superior to fossil based oils. There have been many tests over the years as to the quality of competing synthetics. Each should use whatever they are comfortable with. One study, years ago involved them using a Lincoln Continental Mark 4. Thé put Amsoil in it, ran it for 100K, then tore the engine down, and mic'd it for wear. If I recall, it was like 10,000 miles of wear comparatively. All I know is that it was here before the others, and that is what I use, (when I have a choice).
 
   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #62  
I'll give you that, Amsoil was the first or one of the first to the table with synthetics and they had a very successful marketing campaign. Obviously, they developed very loyal customers that are more than happy to dig deep for their product, which today, is on par with competitors. There is no return on investment using Amsoil outside of self-satisfaction, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Today's conventional lubricants are up to the task with synthetics if you ignore the change interval, the major difference being synthetics are faster to flow during cold weather (below zero F) starts. As far as change interval, I follow the manufactures scheduled maintenance, not the oil manufactures.
 
   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #63  
As far as change interval, I follow the manufactures scheduled maintenance, not the oil manufactures.
:thumbsup:
I do as well. Although I never switched to full synthetic engine oil. A synthetic blend is as far as I got. I figure if the tractor manufacture lists regular "dino" oil in the Owners Manual, a synthetic blend is already overkill.
 
   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #64  
Well.. I personally am new to owning a tractor, thus I realize some of you have invested heavily in major equipment and are feeling like oil is a minor investment in comparison to the overall equipment. When Monster states he is more concerned about return on investment? That is a relative term depending on how you apply it. Are you running your equipment in extreme elements hot, and cold. Are you concerned about running your oil as long as you can to maximize on the money you spent to buy it so you can gain on your return on investment?
If that is really what is important to you, then suggest the following. Run Amsoil with new filters in your truck, ( not sure how many hours apply to a tractor for a tractor). I would run the truck as I do on mine for 12K or so. Change the filter, and when changing the filter to a new one catch some of the oil, and send it in for analysis. YOU, will find in normal operating conditions, that it is still good, and well within tolerances. You have to remember that Synthetic Oils, do not break down in extreme temperatures.... especially heat. That is why they were invented, the airline industry in the 50's were having major problems with regard to the development of turbine engines, although Amsoil, came about as a result of American Tanks in Germany wouldn't turn over in the sub zero temps, and well you can imagine the problems that caused.

Really, I only change the oil at 12, or 13K, is because I feel guilty, like man just change the oil.

It's not because the oil is breaking down and no longer doing what is was designed for. I have a 2004 F150 FX4 with 110K on it, runs perfect, less than a dozen oil changes in its entire life, always Amsoil. I have raced cars, I use this in all my motorcycles, etc.. I do use Rotella, Mobil 1 on occasion, but mostly because it is on sale, and I live in Hawaii, so as someone here mentioned, it is expensive to use, when buying off the shelf, as there are only 2 retailers here on island. So again, as a dealer, I usually try to work a deal with Amsoil, (out of Portland), to drop ship a large order onto the boat for me.
On one last note, regarding and experience. My truck always has run well, and after awhile, you kind of forget to check the oil, as well its synthetic, and does its thing. Well, as Ford Trucks age, I'm told they do loose oil, and no one is quite sure if it's the PCV valve, minor blow by etc. So I was surprised after checking the oil (ONCE), thank God, and nothing showed up on the stick. I added 2 Qts. to bring it back to normal. The only hint, was that I thought I heard a slight drum roll on the tappets,mwhich triggered the thought "Maybe" I should check the oil. Truck still runs perfect 20K later.
That's, why I am a believer
 
   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #65  
When Monster states he is more concerned about return on investment? That is a relative term depending on how you apply it. Are you running your equipment in extreme elements hot, and cold. Are you concerned about running your oil as long as you can to maximize on the money you spent to buy it so you can gain on your return on investment?

I never said I was concerned, I simply asked where is the return on investment using more expensive oil. It isn't relative in the context of the thread. Introducing extreme operating temperature environments without defining the temperatures has no point. Looking at the specifications of engine oil, be it synthetic or conventional, take a specification, for example, the flash point, if your oil gets to that temperature you have other issues.

The original discussion was about claims of one brand being hands down the best or like verbiage. The reality is no one brand is the best, they are all good at what they do with the differences between conventional and synthetics narrowed as technology evolves. I use T6 in my RAM Cummins because that is one of the recommended oils by RAM (I have a Mopar 120,000 mile 8-year warranty I want to protect). I also use it in my land management equipment because when it is on sale, it is attractive. I had a 2003 Tahoe I drove till 2013, I sold it with just over 300,000 miles on it and I always used Mobile 1 in it.

From my facet, use the oil brand you like as long as it satisfies the manufacture's requirements but don't say one brand is superior without supporting the claim using authoritative information.
 
   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #66  
Not me. And i usualy use the cheapest name brand oil i can. Royella t6 is the exception. Its compatable with wet clutches so works with tons of my stuff.

I even use used oil in my 1957 ford tractor.
 
   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #68  
I even use used oil in my 1957 ford tractor.
Now that's something I would have never done. But years ago reconditioned used motor oil was sold in grocery stores that stocked a small quantity of automotive supplies. That's what us teenagers used in out first fixer upper $200> used cars.

How times have changed. Just glance at the high school parking lots and see all the brand new vehicles the spoiled teenagers of today own. Well, maybe not "own" yet. Just making the payments on with all that wasted money on finance charges. :rolleyes:
 
   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #69  
I'll give you that, Amsoil was the first or one of the first to the table with synthetics and they had a very successful marketing campaign. Obviously, they developed very loyal customers that are more than happy to dig deep for their product, which today, is on par with competitors. There is no return on investment using Amsoil outside of self-satisfaction, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Today's conventional lubricants are up to the task with synthetics if you ignore the change interval, the major difference being synthetics are faster to flow during cold weather (below zero F) starts. As far as change interval, I follow the manufactures scheduled maintenance, not the oil manufactures.

" There is no return on investment using Amsoil outside of self-satisfaction, and there is nothing wrong with that."

I beg to differ.

Three quick points on Amsoil.
1- I had an 80's Kubots with one oil chnage in 15 years I quart every few years replacement same filter. I had a Ford SUV that was a dealer buyback so I vowed never to spend a dime on that vehicle till they replaced it. It went 60K miles in three years with one Amsoil oil change and two quarts replenished.

2- Dealer changed my oil without asking me on a truck I had only used Amsoil in because it was part of the service plan I purchased. After I picked the vehicle up It ran noisier, rougher and did not run a smooth almost like a diiferent vehicle. I looked at the paperwork and noticed the oil change, I immediated dumped whatever they put in and replaced it with the Amsoil I've been using and the truck returned to normal.

3 - A few months ago I gave in with everyone here touting Rotella so I gave in and changed my current Kubota with Rotella from Amsoil. Instantly all the symptoms I experienced with my Ford SUV retued to the Kubota. Just like before I dumped it out and out in Amsoil and the tractor runs smooth ahgain. I'll never experiment again twice is enough for me.

My equipment runs in 120 degree temps plus for the entire summer months and using Amsoil and my equipment runs much cooler in these temps.
 
   / Amsoil HD 5W40? #70  
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