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   / Popular mythconceptions #181  
Ha - I have a Kenmore two slice toaster that was give to us for our wedding - 1965. Still works great. But like IT says - not so much so for these new bread types/shapes.

It's the ONLY appliance that I've ever owned that has lasted so long. Today - a company make something like that - they may not be in business too long.
 
   / Popular mythconceptions #182  
Well....
Sears is all but gone now
 
   / Popular mythconceptions #183  
Sears will be around forever and will always be the number one choice of buyers.



('Course, I think that was said what .... 40 years ago?)
 
   / Popular mythconceptions #185  
Ha - I have a Kenmore two slice toaster that was give to us for our wedding - 1965. Still works great. But like IT says - not so much so for these new bread types/shapes.

It's the ONLY appliance that I've ever owned that has lasted so long. Today - a company make something like that - they may not be in business too long.

it is amazing how long some of those old appliances could keep on going.
 
   / Popular mythconceptions #186  
Yep.

If you've ever crawled around in the attic of an old house that was later wired you know why the older generation was paranoid.

I wonder, did those houses burn down at a higher rate?

If you look at the way those systems were installed it was almost impossible to get a short circuit across the wires. 12" + between wires where today they are bundled together in a sheath. All connections were soldered not wire nutted. The 15 amp capacity circuits and minimal outlets were the biggest problem with overloading. #14 wire is good for 20A when in free air like those circuits. With the screw-in fuses there was no way to exceed 20 unless you bypassed the fuse with a slug, then aha fire. There is plenty of history on improperly tightened wire nuts causing fires in today's systems, probably the most common. In some ways the old knob and tube systems were safer.

Ron

People crawling around in attics aren't really worried about shorting a circuit,they are worried about COMPLETEING a circuit through their body.:shocked:
 
   / Popular mythconceptions #187  
People crawling around in attics aren't really worried about shorting a circuit,they are worried about COMPLETEING a circuit through their body.:shocked:

One of my co workers did exactly that while up in an attic of a hospital on a hot summer day pulling telephone cable. he reached up to the old brass hanging fixture to turn on or off the light while his sweaty leg was pressed up against the HVAC duct. Well the HVAC duct just happened to be grounded pretty well, which many of them are. AND the person that had wired the lamp socket (made of brass) had wire it backward, which put the hot on the brass outer part and the Neutral on the center tab. It had likely been like that for 40 or 50 years. No one had ever noticed before. Likely because they never came in contact with the HVAC duct or it wasn't there before or whatever. BUT Danny found it and could not get off of it because he was covered in sweat and with just the 120 volts which if you are nice and dry will just give you a nasty jolt, this time was burning a hole in Danny's finger and he could not turn loose. Another coworker got him loose, and they took him to the hospital, ER which was real easy, since that was just down the hallway. His heart seemed to be OK, but he sure had a mess of a finger. They packed it with something and bandaged it up. It was a mess even weeks later. It did heal up but it wasn't real quick. Needless to say, the hospital payed all of his bill's including follow up. He did not sue.
 
   / Popular mythconceptions #188  
If you look at the way those systems were installed it was almost impossible to get a short circuit across the wires. 12" + between wires where today they are bundled together in a sheath. All connections were soldered not wire nutted. The 15 amp capacity circuits and minimal outlets were the biggest problem with overloading. #14 wire is good for 20A when in free air like those circuits. With the screw-in fuses there was no way to exceed 20 unless you bypassed the fuse with a slug, then aha fire. There is plenty of history on improperly tightened wire nuts causing fires in today's systems, probably the most common. In some ways the old knob and tube systems were safer.

Ron

Until you, by innocently touching them, short them out.

I wonder why inspectors don't require that system. Overpaid idiots......
 
   / Popular mythconceptions #189  
One of my co workers did exactly that while up in an attic of a hospital on a hot summer day pulling telephone cable. he reached up to the old brass hanging fixture to turn on or off the light while his sweaty leg was pressed up against the HVAC duct. Well the HVAC duct just happened to be grounded pretty well, which many of them are. AND the person that had wired the lamp socket (made of brass) had wire it backward, which put the hot on the brass outer part and the Neutral on the center tab. It had likely been like that for 40 or 50 years. No one had ever noticed before. Likely because they never came in contact with the HVAC duct or it wasn't there before or whatever. BUT Danny found it and could not get off of it because he was covered in sweat and with just the 120 volts which if you are nice and dry will just give you a nasty jolt, this time was burning a hole in Danny's finger and he could not turn loose. Another coworker got him loose, and they took him to the hospital, ER which was real easy, since that was just down the hallway. His heart seemed to be OK, but he sure had a mess of a finger. They packed it with something and bandaged it up. It was a mess even weeks later. It did heal up but it wasn't real quick. Needless to say, the hospital payed all of his bill's including follow up. He did not sue.

Good one.

I should have read down before posting my lame comeback...
 
   / Popular mythconceptions #190  
Knob and tube has been replaced for very good legitimate reasons, anyone defending it should think on it a bit
 

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