NX6010 suction side hydro leak

   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #81  
Jim, thanks. Believe I'll try that procedure, but not cut the hose piece. It doesn't look like it cost all that much, but I'd like to save it just in case I want to use it again. Couldn't work on it today as I had other obligations....and probably not tomorrow either as I have a date night obligation with the wife. :)

Should have time Saturday afternoon though. Anyone want to wager for bragging rights on whether I have bubbles in the line or not? :laughing:
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #82  
Made a video showing the results of my clear hose install. Spoiler alert---there are bubbles.

Kioti NX451 Suction Line Clear Hose Install - YouTube

I used a 2 inch hose with a 1.5 inch ID, but could have used a 1.5 OD with 1.25 ID hose...if one were available. Next size that Lowes had was 1.25 OD with 1 inch ID. It seemed to snug up just fine, but would have preferred a smaller hose.

After I got everything back together, I took it for a spin for maybe 5 minutes and came back to find bubbles in the tube. From what I can tell, there are pretty big bubbles coming into the clear tubing from the filter side metal tubing. Took a video of that.

Kioti NX451 Testing with Clear Tubing Installed - YouTube

Anyone with clear tubing installed that can give me some comparison? Seeing the same thing? Any other ideas to try?

Thanks!
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #83  
Justman777, very nice job on the videos. From the close-ups in your second video, it sure seems like there is foaming going on. I fortunately haven't had any of the hydro noise/performance issues in the five years with my NX, but I'm very interested in how your problem resolves. Don't know if Michigan Iron & Equipment is following this thread, but maybe they will be able to weigh in with some thoughts.
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #84  
For what it's worth, I also put grease on either end of the tubing to see if any would get sucked in. I also took plastic wrap and put it over the ends of the tube, the banjo fittings (best I could) and the filter (again, best I could). No discernible effect on the bubbles. The only component I haven't been able to check is the o-ring at the suction tube inlet.
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #85  
I put a large drain pan under the filter and hose area. I cut the hose and let it drain out. I don't recall having more than a few gallons drain out. I then took the intake pipe off from the pump on the motor. Installed the new hose but left the hose clamps loose. I put the intake pipe back on and tightened the clamps, followed by filling the hydraulics up again.

Jim, would you mind taking a video of the fluid going through the clear tube you put on your suction line? My dealer believes the amount of bubbles/air in the line might be normal for the NX series, and I'd like to have something for comparison.

If anyone else has a clear line installed and is feeling charitable, I'd take their videos as well!!! :)
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #86  
I was perusing HD's website the other day and figured out they have 1.25 ID reinforced tubing available in two foot lengths. Went and picked some up yesterday. When my dealer sends me the o-rings for the suction side (all of them), I'll install the new clear tubing....and have about 1.5 feet of it as spare. :laughing:
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #87  
Got all the o-rings replaced. Sure was a pain to get the filter housing back in place... Also installed the new clear tubing and some good t-bolt clamps on either end to seal it a little better. Bottom line, still have air bubbles in the clear tubing. :mad:

My dealer thinks the air in the line is normal. They're going to install some clear tubing in another NX when they get them on the lot and take a video of it for me.

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I'd greatly appreciate anyone taking a video if they have clear tubing installed! :)
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #88  
It would be a cool thing to do and get another take on this....
but right now bro. my machine is getting flogged like a rented mule until the fall....:laughing:
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak #89  
It would be a cool thing to do and get another take on this....
but right now bro. my machine is getting flogged like a rented mule until the fall....:laughing:

I hear ya! I'll do most of my heavy work this fall. Too hot outside right now to do much of anything, unless you're working really late or really early in the day.
 
   / NX6010 suction side hydro leak
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#90  
Got all the o-rings replaced. Sure was a pain to get the filter housing back in place... Also installed the new clear tubing and some good t-bolt clamps on either end to seal it a little better. Bottom line, still have air bubbles in the clear tubing. :mad:

My dealer thinks the air in the line is normal. They're going to install some clear tubing in another NX when they get them on the lot and take a video of it for me.

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I'd greatly appreciate anyone taking a video if they have clear tubing installed! :)

Really interested to hear the results of this test. I'm the OP, and, if you read my report a few weeks back, I'm sorry to say, the bubbles are back. This time it's "big bubbles" but not that many of them. Machine seems to be performing well, it's a tiny bit jerky when I first start it, but it settles down in seconds and I don't feel the slips or jumpiness anymore. However, remembering back, this is how my machine was when it was brand new. It always had a tiny jump in the hydraulics when it was first started, that progressively got worse as time went on. It's also temperature sensitive, it's real hot out now, the colder it gets the worse it got (last time), so... I'm not sure what to think. Right after the housing replacement (~75 hours ago) there was -0-, NOT A SINGLE bubble in that line. It looks like good whiskey running through, honestly, you couldn't even perceive the fluid was moving because it was so consistent. As time has passed (on the new housing) the bubble is starting to reappear. Which makes me wonder if we're dealing with someone that's more wear related than "bad casting/bad part" related. It's like the filter housing is "wearing out". I have no idea how a chunk of steel with 2 banjo fittings and a place to screw in a filter "wears out", but.. That's the behavior that I'm seeing. I'll try to shoot some video of where it stands today, you'll see the bubbles, I probably won't be able to catch the "jumps" on video because they are (today anyway) very very slight, you'd never feel them if you didn't know what to listen/feel for.

Disappointed... Maybe it is "normal" to have a little air in that line, and perhaps the machine with stabilize here and never get worse. It's working fine, so, if that happens, I wouldn't really care. But I can tell you, no doubt about it, right after we changed that housing, there was NOT a single bubble in that line, and it stayed that way for hours and hours of operation (I checked it every time I ran the machine). No "air sucking" sound in the sump, no foamed up oil, none of it. Just like my other tractor.

Guess now, I think there's perhaps something wrong with the way they are molding that part. Something wrong with the metal perhaps, that's causing it to crack (microscopically, of course) after some number of heat/cool cycles would be my best guess.
 

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