alainestelle
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HI,
I'm down to KIOTI 7320 or MASSEY 4707. Would you spend 7K more for the Massey?
Thanks!!!
I'm down to KIOTI 7320 or MASSEY 4707. Would you spend 7K more for the Massey?
Thanks!!!
Comparison Bought a Massey 4707, Ask Me Anything
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Bigpuddie
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Depends on how much you use your tractor. The Massey is way more comfortable, heavier, has better emissions setu(no regens), buddy seat, better transmission setup, and will have better resale. If you wont use tractor much or for short periods of time, I'm sure the Kioti will be fine
alainestelle
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Thanks for your answer. Now I'm at negotiating the best deal for a 4707 Massey. I presently have a JD 5203 which is most of the time Ok for what I use for. I can get a 4709 for 1K more that the 4707. Same features. What do you think? I'm confused about 'DEF'?
Bigpuddie
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That's a pretty good deal. I wouldn't be afraid of the DEF if I needed the horsepower. Massey's system only uses DEF when needed. At idle or low work load, no DEF is consumed.
MickeyDBC
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I have had a Kioti 7320 cab for almost two years now. Other than an initial leak in an added 3rd function valve (o ring was pinched) it has had zero problems. I looked at a lot of tractors before I picked it and did like the Massey cab. Before you buy a Massey, spend some time online searching for things like emissions system problems, etc.. If you don't like Kioti and the Kubota is too small, spend a little more than the Massey and find a slightly used Deere M series. Those are some great tractors and with the way crop and milk prices are now there are some great deals out there.
daugen
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My 4707 has been a real pleasure to own.
Once I learned to start it in true neutral and not just the Powershift neutral, it no longer jiggled at cold idle.
I give it about 15 or 20 seconds at dead idle to move the oil and then hit the memory button set at 1250 rpm.
They seems to produce enough torque to do most operations. If I wanted more power, I'd raise the rpm.
Powershift operation is nice and smooth. Took me a while to figure it out, and when I still had to use the foot clutch.
That had a learning curve, different feel to engagement but works fine, lack of smoothness highly likely to be operator issue.
I've only pulled an 8 foot disc with it, which never made it seriously grunt in use. Think I ran it then around 1700 rpm. Big 34 inch rear radials
have lots more grip than tractor has horsepower. That hop up capability is a huge plus. I plan on doing it as soon as the warranty is out.
Cab is huge, a/c plenty powerful, glass roof panel excellent, but oh that steel cage on top, why oh why didn't they put it on hinges so you can get to the glass
to clean it easier. I hope one of you design that hinge conversion, I would sure buy it.
I'm thoroughly satisfied with the tractor, equivalent JD was 25 grand more which I just could not afford.
Under 50 grand for the one I really want, buddy seat, glass roof for man cage tree trimming work, super comfortable seat.
Only major gripe is I think the steering pump is pretty crude, steering is jerky, not very smooth. They have looked at it once, but I think the
steering is never going to be smooth in it. To me it's just ok.
Once I learned to start it in true neutral and not just the Powershift neutral, it no longer jiggled at cold idle.
I give it about 15 or 20 seconds at dead idle to move the oil and then hit the memory button set at 1250 rpm.
They seems to produce enough torque to do most operations. If I wanted more power, I'd raise the rpm.
Powershift operation is nice and smooth. Took me a while to figure it out, and when I still had to use the foot clutch.
That had a learning curve, different feel to engagement but works fine, lack of smoothness highly likely to be operator issue.
I've only pulled an 8 foot disc with it, which never made it seriously grunt in use. Think I ran it then around 1700 rpm. Big 34 inch rear radials
have lots more grip than tractor has horsepower. That hop up capability is a huge plus. I plan on doing it as soon as the warranty is out.
Cab is huge, a/c plenty powerful, glass roof panel excellent, but oh that steel cage on top, why oh why didn't they put it on hinges so you can get to the glass
to clean it easier. I hope one of you design that hinge conversion, I would sure buy it.
I'm thoroughly satisfied with the tractor, equivalent JD was 25 grand more which I just could not afford.
Under 50 grand for the one I really want, buddy seat, glass roof for man cage tree trimming work, super comfortable seat.
Only major gripe is I think the steering pump is pretty crude, steering is jerky, not very smooth. They have looked at it once, but I think the
steering is never going to be smooth in it. To me it's just ok.
nrosario
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Thank you for sharing this.
daugen
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ipopeyei
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I've had my MF 4707 for about 2 years, and am extremely pleased with it. Yes it's manufactured in China, but it was pretty much designed in France. The loaders are actually Swedish Quicke, the engine is a Finnish SISU design ( now Agco Power ) , my front axle is French, the Tires Norwegian and in winter I equip it with a Canadian snow plow and a Canadian snowblower. They make in France for Europe/Africa and at a brand new AGCO/Massey factory in China for Asia and US. Truly as the advertise it a World Tractor. I've had zero problems. A note on the loader - in the US it usually came with a 931x loader, which a friend of mine managed to break. So I got mine with a 931 ( no x ) which is better. Mine is a little hard to get into 1st and 2nd gear sometimes, but not a real problem. Goes 40K ( 25 m ) on the road. Cab is roomy. No emissions gear ! (only 4707 not 08,09,10)
daugen
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glad you are having a good experience. So have I. Only issues have been small dealer's lack of knowledge and untrained staff.
And the cherry on the top of this tractor is the ability to get a 100hp upgrade for under three grand installed.(once the warranty runs out...)
Mine came with the 34 Trelleborgs on the rear, supposed to have 30's and the traction on those radials is amazing.
And awful for the lawn...but the ride is like a Cadillac compared to my prior R4 equipped Kubota L5740.
Even in the hot sticky weather in my area, never had to turn a/c up past second notch.
I would love to blow/push snow with this tractor. A seriously nice, and comfortable, ride.
When I had the Kubota, out mowing the roadsides, the local farmers would hardly look over.
Now they all look over and slow down, clearly this tractor cuts the measure as to what they think
is a "real" farm tractor. It's honestly more than I need, but I'm a senior, wanted something really comfortable, and
this is my last tractor. And 50 grand was my limit.
And the cherry on the top of this tractor is the ability to get a 100hp upgrade for under three grand installed.(once the warranty runs out...)
Mine came with the 34 Trelleborgs on the rear, supposed to have 30's and the traction on those radials is amazing.
And awful for the lawn...but the ride is like a Cadillac compared to my prior R4 equipped Kubota L5740.
Even in the hot sticky weather in my area, never had to turn a/c up past second notch.
I would love to blow/push snow with this tractor. A seriously nice, and comfortable, ride.
When I had the Kubota, out mowing the roadsides, the local farmers would hardly look over.
Now they all look over and slow down, clearly this tractor cuts the measure as to what they think
is a "real" farm tractor. It's honestly more than I need, but I'm a senior, wanted something really comfortable, and
this is my last tractor. And 50 grand was my limit.