What Attachment for Making Fire Breaks?

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Guys, I'm looking for a new attachment to use at my hunting property. I have a 2 acre plot that I let grow up in native grasses each year and then over the winter I burn it all off clean and start fresh again next year. Before, I was using my father in law's rotary tiller to make a dirt "ring" around the outside of the plot and that fresh dirt worked as a fire break and kept the fire contained inside the ring. Last year my father in law sold the rotary tiller so my grandpa gave me a very old 5ft 3pt disk. It's so old the blades are like paper thin. It has 3 cracked spool bearings and the disk has no manufacturer plate so I can't find replacement spool bearings. It still turns, but it creaks and grinds something awful. Also, the disk is very light, so it does not engage the ground well and just "glides" over the top when there are leaves on the ground. Needless to say, it's not very effective. So I'm trying to figure out what else I can use that would make a good bare dirt fire break.

I have found a guy that's about 1.5 hours away that builds "custom" small implements for the food plot type guys like me. He built this single gang disk out of a much larger disk and just modified it to be used like an offset or cutaway disk but with only one row of blades. The blades are much bigger and heavier than the blades on my little disk. The guy isn't sure how much it weights, but says it's 5ft wide. He said he would be willing to take my old disk on a partial trade along with $150 cash to buy the modified disk that he built. I've attached some photos here as well as pictures of my old "no name" disk that isn't working too well right now. The thing is, I'm happy with paying the $150, but this is the first one of these modified disks this guy has made so he doesn't know how well they work yet and I don't want spend $150 and a 3 hour round trip on a gamble. But I also don't know what else I can use. I'd be willing spend about $200ish on the right piece of equipment. I was thinking the disk might be able to serve to use to break up the entire plot if I decided I wanted to actually plant it in something instead of just letting it grow up in native grasses. I also thought about a 2 bottom plow. Those seem plentiful in my area for around the $200 mark. Those would probably work for making a decide bare dirt fire break, but it would be a slow process if I ever wanted to plow the entire 2 acre plot.

I guess my question is do I gamble my old disk, $150, and a 3 hour round trip on this "modified" disk that the guy is selling? Do I keep my old disk and try to find a 2 bottom plow that is closer to home? Do I need to be looking for some other type of implement instead? If so, what? And for reference, my tractor is an LS R3039. 39hp 4WD with the rear tires filled with fluid, total weight including the loader frame is 4400lbs.

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   / What Attachment for Making Fire Breaks? #2  
I would make that trade in a minute!
 
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You wouldn't be worried about the "modified" disk not working any better than my old one?
 
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The bigger discs on a wider frame will do better than what you have. I might ask him to weld on a couple of weight boxes.
 
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The welds on that single disc look like crap. I wouldn't buy it.

Get off the wallet and buy yourself a tiller.
 
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I can see no benefit to a single gang disc. You get cutting action into smaller dirt sections from a disc as gangs run in differing directions. The angle plays into directions. Then weight plays a factor. Weight can be added, at least until your 3 PH can no longer lift it.
No I would not pursue that modified mess!

It is possible that your disc is worn to the point of not be worth being repaired. If you can find out the brand or get parts, making parts can be difficult.

You know the way a tiller works, but finding used is not common, and tillers are pricey. A disc is probably your next best option, but multiple passes in different directions.
 
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I’ll go along with the weld appearance.

With the single gang and enough weight to make it cut it it might move the tractor over.
 
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I'm not going to comment about the welding.

He's used beefy enough steel until you get to the lower 3 point hitch pins. My bets are that they are going to bend. Especially with a side load pushing the disc to one side during ground engagement. Also if he would have welded the pins to the front instead of underneath you would have a chance at it being quick hitch compatible. The way it's built now there's not enough room for the top link hook. You might not have a quick hitch at this time but it's nice for that to be an option in the future.

The reason disc's are built with two opposing gangs is to help balance the side load on the tractor. Now the tractor is expected to absorb the side loads. I don't think that's a good idea. Even a plow which moves soil one way has landsides to offset the side draft and keep the plow pulling straight.
 
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With the single gang it becomes a disc plow that needs a "tail coulter" out back as a "rudder" to counteract the side thrust.



Bruce
 
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Single gang disk may never be heavy enough to cut thru year old sod. The rototiller your FIL had worked great. Get yourself a pto driven rototiller.
 
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I have a 2 acre food plot that I let grow up in native grasses each year and then over the winter I burn it all off clean and start fresh again next year. Before, I was using my father in law's rotary tiller to make a dirt "ring" around the outside of the plot.

Consider looking for an old, single or two bottom Moldboard Plow in 12" width. In most parts of the USA a serviceable plow is <$400.

A Plow will turn up potentially flammable roots to 6" deep, which will decay over time.

The land behind the plow will be a little rough but it will be an excellent firebreak.

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Guys, I just don’t have the funds to buy a rotary tiller. And while it worked great, my plot was hard on it due to all the rocks and roots.

I found someone selling a 2 blade disk plow (not a harrow) that’s a little closer but he wants $385 for it. IMG_0932.jpg
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The welds shown may not have penetration and will have a lot of porosity. Also there are no triangle’s used to prevent racking.
 
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And you’ve got to remember, I’m only needing to break the ground to create a bare dirt fire break. I’m not looking for nice tillage for planting.
 
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While it worked great, my plot was hard on the rotary tiller due to the rocks and roots.

I found someone selling a 2 blade disk plow (not a harrow) that’s a little closer but he wants $385 for it.

A Disc Plow does not create the nice, even furrows that a Moldboard Plow creates but for plowing land with lots of rocks and roots it is the right implement. A Disc Plow rolls over subterranean debris it cannot move. No need for Draft Control on the tractor.

"In most parts of the USA a serviceable plow is <$400."

$400 is around $1/pound. New implements are around $4/pound.

GO FOR IT.


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Thanks. I’m not looking for something that makes nice, smooth tillage. I just need something cost effective that will turn grassy and leave-covered soil over to bare dirt so that fire won’t cross it.

I do have draft control on my tractor, but I’ve never used it.
 
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There’s also a Dearborn 10-1 plow that is actually right down the road from me. Guy wants $250 for it but it does not have a tail wheel.

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There’s also a Dearborn 10-1 plow that is actually right down the road from me. Guy wants $250 for it but it does not have a tail wheel.

Moldboard Plows do not use a tail wheel.

Moldboard Plows require some time to learn adjustments and you will need to learn about adjusting Draft Control.

Disc Plows have a very short learning curve.

Either should serve. Both are plows.
 
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Just throwing this out there regarding "fire break"
I have what I was calling a fire break around my 6 acre property, also used for privacy as I have a lane of brush inside what I called the fire break. The path is 20 foot wide or so. It seems an effective fire break is several hundred feet wide due to wind, so effectively even if your entire 2 acre property is barren, it still may not be an effective fire break.
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Get a middle buster or a single chisel plow (sub soiler). Three or for laps around the property and you will be done.
 
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