Comparison Please help please advise

[kenmac]

And that is?


I paid under $19K for mine including a 4' tiller. Closest dealer though seems to be Haney's in Athens.

Athens Al. ?

 

[kenmac]

I have to say. I have a three range on my HST Kubota MX 5100. Unless I'm on the road. High range is useless.
90% of the time I'm in middle range

 

[TMGT]

Kioti has been extremely quiet on the new HST Assist. But it closely duplicates the HST Plus that Kubota uses as an option on their tractors.

I'm very interested in it as I like to keep up to date on whats new with compacts. We don't have a Kioti dealer nearby so can't see them in person except at shows/fairs and all of those were cancelled last year.
It almost sounded like an add-on so I'm curious to learn more. Seems odd that Kioti isn't advertising it, HST+ was a large reason I went with a 40series Kubota L when I upgraded last year.

Is there any literature on it at all?

 

[paulfun9]

The discussion seems to focus mostly on the HST and 2-3 range - but since you indicate this is a TLB consider how the BH is mounted and subframe.

The Kioti (unless they changed) has a subframe mount that comes off with the BH about 8' long, and it hangs further off the back and has lower ground clearance. IMO the subframe setup is harder to install, and also store. The Kubota BH77 has a 4PT connection close to the tractor and the subframe stays on the tractor and is easier to remove and install.

So take a look and test the R&R on the BH for both models as part of your evaluation would be my suggestion.

Don稚 forget to tell them how you have to take the 3 point arms off to use the kubota backhoe and that with the Kioti you can simply leave them on.

By the way it seems most who have used both systems seem to find the Kioti subframe system easy to attach as well.

 

[Diggin It]

Athens Al. ?

Uh-huh. They have another location further south too from the map I saw.

Don稚 forget to tell them how you have to take the 3 point arms off to use the kubota backhoe and that with the Kioti you can simply leave them on.

I leave them on mine too. I can tuck them up against the back fenders.

 

[John Tractoring]

Thanks for all the replies everyone. I'm now waiting on the Kubota dealer to put together a B2601 hydro for me to test drive. The ONLY THING that stops me from signing papers on the Kioti CX2510 hydro is it has no mid range. My land slightly slopes and I will be using it for a lot of loader work moving dirt building jumps for me and my sons mini 4 acre motorcross track. I also have about 400 yards of gravel driveway up a hill to maintain. I also will be clearing out a new trail through our woods I'd say about 150 yards of clearing at most 8 foot wide and no hurry on the clearing project gonna do a little at a time and enjoy the tractor time. With my last two Mahindras all the loader work I did was in Mid range. My fear is with the kioti the low range will be way to slow in transport and or to weak to push pull. Is the low range in it truly a low range gearing. What I mean is I'm concerned because it only has two range they have sped the low up a bit to balance speed and power because as most of you have already stated I to find high range useless on my property from past experience. On my prior two mahindras Mid range worked but had it not I had the option of putting it in low. I feel the KUBOTA may have a more stronger low range being it has all 3 range, BUT also the kioti out weighs that Kubota by 600 pounds if spec sheets are right. When I asked the dealer if he had any insight as to why the kubota was so much lighter he just started talking about market share and resale value which isn't a concern to me. I would just move up to the Kioti CK3510 but that is the size of my first mahindra 2538 hydro I had and I really can build our jumps and get the angles right faster with a smaller tractor and my building was actually built for the smaller framed 25 hp tractors. I Love the size of the kioti CX2510 and kubota B2601. Any way sorry for the long post I know I am probably WAY overthinking this but as nerve racking as it is its also very joyful I cant wait to get one again. I had to sale my Mahindra 3540 Hydro about a couple years ago due to my wife falling ill with clusters of blood clots in her lungs (due to birth control) long story short I sold what I could and got two extra part time jobs in addition to my main job. Thinks are straightened out now and I'm ready to get back in the saddle. I truly appreciate all of your inputs they help me narrow things down. Thank you

 

[John Tractoring]

I'm very interested in it as I like to keep up to date on whats new with compacts. We don't have a Kioti dealer nearby so can't see them in person except at shows/fairs and all of those were cancelled last year.
It almost sounded like an add-on so I'm curious to learn more. Seems odd that Kioti isn't advertising it, HST+ was a large reason I went with a 40series Kubota L when I upgraded last year.

Is there any literature on it at all?

To my knowledge the HST assist has been available for at least 3 years on the CK3510 and CK4010 as add ons. Its a $400.00 add on on the CX2510 Its standard on the CK2610SE CK3510SE and CK4010SE The SE is the premium line.

 

[rScotty]

To my knowledge the HST assist has been available for at least 3 years on the CK3510 and CK4010 as add ons. Its a $400.00 add on on the CX2510 Its standard on the CK2610SE CK3510SE and CK4010SE The SE is the premium line.

I am curious about Kioti's HST assist, but don't know anything about it.
If anyone has any technical info on what it is, does, and how it works I'd be interested in learning about it.

We have the HST+ on our Kubota and like it a lot. In fact, I doubt if I would buy buy HST without it.
In the workshop manual, HST+ looks pretty complex. I don't think it is an add on.
rScotty

 

[TMGT]

Thanks for all the replies everyone. I'm now waiting on the Kubota dealer to put together a B2601 hydro for me to test drive. The ONLY THING that stops me from signing papers on the Kioti CX2510 hydro is it has no mid range. My land slightly slopes and I will be using it for a lot of loader work moving dirt building jumps for me and my sons mini 4 acre motorcross track. I also have about 400 yards of gravel driveway up a hill to maintain. I also will be clearing out a new trail through our woods I'd say about 150 yards of clearing at most 8 foot wide and no hurry on the clearing project gonna do a little at a time and enjoy the tractor time. With my last two Mahindras all the loader work I did was in Mid range. My fear is with the kioti the low range will be way to slow in transport and or to weak to push pull. Is the low range in it truly a low range gearing. What I mean is I'm concerned because it only has two range they have sped the low up a bit to balance speed and power because as most of you have already stated I to find high range useless on my property from past experience. On my prior two mahindras Mid range worked but had it not I had the option of putting it in low. I feel the KUBOTA may have a more stronger low range being it has all 3 range, BUT also the kioti out weighs that Kubota by 600 pounds if spec sheets are right. When I asked the dealer if he had any insight as to why the kubota was so much lighter he just started talking about market share and resale value which isn't a concern to me. I would just move up to the Kioti CK3510 but that is the size of my first mahindra 2538 hydro I had and I really can build our jumps and get the angles right faster with a smaller tractor and my building was actually built for the smaller framed 25 hp tractors. I Love the size of the kioti CX2510 and kubota B2601. Any way sorry for the long post I know I am probably WAY overthinking this but as nerve racking as it is its also very joyful I cant wait to get one again. I had to sale my Mahindra 3540 Hydro about a couple years ago due to my wife falling ill with clusters of blood clots in her lungs (due to birth control) long story short I sold what I could and got two extra part time jobs in addition to my main job. Thinks are straightened out now and I'm ready to get back in the saddle. I truly appreciate all of your inputs they help me narrow things down. Thank you

The problem I've seen with most 2range HST trans is they have to compromise to cover a wider speed range. The high is a little too high for any ground engaging or heavier loader work and the low range is either painfully slow or not low enough and doesn't have enough grunt for heavier work.

If the company did a good job at balancing the ranges and you don't need a higher transport speed then 2ranges are fine, it just seems like most 2range hst are compromised in one area or the other. I also rarely use high range on my B2620, but its nice to have when heading down the road to the neighbors house to help out and allows for a more even split between ranges.

These lower HP tractors can also use all the help they can get in the gearing department!

 

[TMGT]

I am curious about Kioti's HST assist, but don't know anything about it.
If anyone has any technical info on what it is, does, and how it works I'd be interested in learning about it.

We have the HST+ on our Kubota and like it a lot. In fact, I doubt if I would buy buy HST without it.
In the workshop manual, HST+ looks pretty complex. I don't think it is an add on.
rScotty

That was my thought also, if its similar to the hst+ I don't see how it could be an add on. Maybe it's more like a stall gaurd or something?

I couldn't find a mention of it on their website or in any internet searches.

Is it called something other then HST assist?