Three day challenge

[the old grind]

I drink Pepsi or Dr Pepper real sugar soda. Very hard to find Dr. Pepper sugar. We avoid anything with high fructose corn syrup.

So 55% fructose is bad and 50% fructose is perfectly fine (the choices with any/all soft drinks) and won't hurt anyone?

Check, and it's good to know where the cut-off point is.

C'mon, we can quit pretending we're avoiding something we eat every day and that's therefore (cane/real) already 50% fructose vs the dreaded 55% of HFCS in our soft drinks. Drink what you like, but don't be pretentious about it. Table sugar (cane, beet, 'real') is 50% fructose. Let's get a perspective on that.

btw, all 'white'/dry/'table'/bagged sugar is processed to industry stds/ratios. Cane producers hate MI's sugar beet competition, but at last we're made in USA vs $hipped in from the islands or South America.

That said, I get enough calories from Bud Light and Captain Morgan.

 

[Whidbey]

My family has a history of alcoholism. My sister died in middle age due to liver disease caused by heavy drinking. My brother is sitting in jail on some fairly serious charges related to drinking. I am hoping he will have his "Come to Jesus" revalation but do not expect it to happen. I took a course where I had to study Alcoholics Anonymous and attend a meeting. The meeting I attended was eye-opening. A middle-aged couple who also attended where the husband had just finished a drinking episode and was trying to get and remain sober. He was well-groomed but looked years older than his biological age.For some, remaining sober can be a life long struggle, and yes, you must want to quit.

 

[MossRoad]

So 55% fructose is bad and 50% fructose is perfectly fine (the choices with any/all soft drinks) and won't hurt anyone?

Check, and it's good to know where the cut-off point is.

C'mon, we can quit pretending we're avoiding something we eat every day and that's therefore (cane/real) already 50% fructose vs the dreaded 55% of HFCS in our soft drinks. Drink what you like, but don't be pretentious about it. Table sugar (cane, beet, 'real') is 50% fructose. Let's get a perspective on that.

btw, all 'white'/dry/'table'/bagged sugar is processed to industry stds/ratios. Cane producers hate MI's sugar beet competition, but at last we're made in USA vs $hipped in from the islands or South America.

That said, I get enough calories from Bud Light and Captain Morgan.

Captain Morgan and Orange Vanilla Coke! :licking:

 

[Fuddy1952]

It seems like something was lost in translation, because those two choices don't make sense to me. Antabuse will make someone quite sick if they drink, but that's completely separate from detoxing.

A treatment facility would use drugs to assist with easing the initial withdrawal symptoms, so he doesn't die going through DTs. If he has a network of enablers at home that bring alcohol to him, then it probably wouldn't help. It often becomes a family disease.

The ER doctor explained there's no law preventing someone from drinking.
It's as simple as that.
Between my wife and I we have had over a dozen now deceased friends and family members die from alcohol.
It all boils down to this fact: the addict has to make the decision. If they want to quit there are treatment centers, medications, therapists, etc. available.
But again...it's NOT illegal to buy alcohol in the USA if you're over 21. You can drink as much as you want at home.
At one point his wife thought he was dead so she called me. I suggested she call 911 since they're hours away and what can I do?
The ambulance arrived quickly and I got a call from a paramedic saying yes, he definitely needs medical attention but refuses. They (or anyone else) has authority to transport someone against their will. That's kidnapping.

 

[Fuddy1952]

So 55% fructose is bad and 50% fructose is perfectly fine (the choices with any/all soft drinks) and won't hurt anyone?

Check, and it's good to know where the cut-off point is.

C'mon, we can quit pretending we're avoiding something we eat every day and that's therefore (cane/real) already 50% fructose vs the dreaded 55% of HFCS in our soft drinks. Drink what you like, but don't be pretentious about it. Table sugar (cane, beet, 'real') is 50% fructose. Let's get a perspective on that.

btw, all 'white'/dry/'table'/bagged sugar is processed to industry stds/ratios. Cane producers hate MI's sugar beet competition, but at last we're made in USA vs $hipped in from the islands or South America.

That said, I get enough calories from Bud Light and Captain Morgan.

I agree with some of what you say and there aren't any healthy soft drinks. My diabetic wife (diabetic 35+ years) drank diet soda.
She went to an endocrinologist for years and I learned a lot. The processing and mercury in HFCS was my concern. I don't drink many sodas, water and unsweetened tea mostly.
What you do every day is what will help or hurt you as well as choosing the right parents, genetics.

 

[drssg]

The ER doctor explained there's no law preventing someone from drinking.
It's as simple as that.
Between my wife and I we have had over a dozen now deceased friends and family members die from alcohol.
It all boils down to this fact: the addict has to make the decision. If they want to quit there are treatment centers, medications, therapists, etc. available.
But again...it's NOT illegal to buy alcohol in the USA if you're over 21. You can drink as much as you want at home.
At one point his wife thought he was dead so she called me. I suggested she call 911 since they're hours away and what can I do?
The ambulance arrived quickly and I got a call from a paramedic saying yes, he definitely needs medical attention but refuses. They (or anyone else) has authority to transport someone against their will. That's kidnapping.

I agree with everything in this post, but it doesn't address what I said in my post. If he can't walk, but he's still being provided alcohol every day, then there are more problems in the household than just him. That's why I suggested al-anon earlier in the thread.

 

[Jstpssng]

So 55% fructose is bad and 50% fructose is perfectly fine (the choices with any/all soft drinks) and won't hurt anyone?

Check, and it's good to know where the cut-off point is.

C'mon, we can quit pretending we're avoiding something we eat every day and that's therefore (cane/real) already 50% fructose vs the dreaded 55% of HFCS in our soft drinks. Drink what you like, but don't be pretentious about it. Table sugar (cane, beet, 'real') is 50% fructose. Let's get a perspective on that.

btw, all 'white'/dry/'table'/bagged sugar is processed to industry stds/ratios. Cane producers hate MI's sugar beet competition, but at last we're made in USA vs $hipped in from the islands or South America.

That said, I get enough calories from Bud Light and Captain Morgan.

I understand and agree with what you say. I also agree that we consume way too much sugar, and believe that obesity is one of this generation's big challenges. I merely don't care for the sickly sweet flavor of HFCS.

I also am reconsidering my own habits; apparently eating 10 lbs of apples every week isn't as healthy as it seemed. And drinking a gallon of apple cider in that time period has it's own amount of sugar. Yet it tastes SO much better than any soda I've ever had.

 

[Fuddy1952]

"I agree with everything in this post, but it doesn't address what I said in my post. If he can't walk, but he's still being provided alcohol every day, then there are more problems in the household than just him. That's why I suggested al-anon earlier in the thread."

Alcoholics Anonymous is a great organization, however, the alcoholic has to join! When I say we've tried every intervention...we've tried everything and then some, most just make him mad.
Thanks for your concern but I can't abduct him! I went so far as finding out his who his physician is, having long talks with him.
He either has to quit on his own or not.
Of course even AA can't help neuropathy and cirrhosis of the liver (ESLD stage 4).
Years ago as one alcoholic friend (rip) explained to me alcoholics "become a chemist", meaning that they maintain the level of alcohol in their system.
His wife isn't an enabler, she's following doctor's recommendation to keep him "stable" (my choice of words are not exact, but you get the gist).
Now those who bring extra alcohol, believe me, I've considered "having a 'baseball bat' talk" with them...but that's no solution.
Twenty-thirty years ago things would be different.
We're amazed he's still living. As I mentioned my wife and have known lots of alcoholics, all deceased now, all committed slow suicide.

 

[Jstpssng]

Al-Anon is for the loved ones of a family member, to help them accept that they can't change the alcoholic. I don't know much more about it, or even remember why I was looking into it years ago. (probably because of some past gf.) Yet I do recall that it's for loved ones of a drunk who can't or won't help himself. He does not have to participate.

This thread sure has taken a turn from light to serious... but that isn't a bad thing.

 

[GeneV]

The ER doctor explained there's no law preventing someone from drinking.
It's as simple as that.
Between my wife and I we have had over a dozen now deceased friends and family members die from alcohol.
It all boils down to this fact: the addict has to make the decision. If they want to quit there are treatment centers, medications, therapists, etc. available.
But again...it's NOT illegal to buy alcohol in the USA if you're over 21. You can drink as much as you want at home.
At one point his wife thought he was dead so she called me. I suggested she call 911 since they're hours away and what can I do?
The ambulance arrived quickly and I got a call from a paramedic saying yes, he definitely needs medical attention but refuses. They (or anyone else) has authority to transport someone against their will. That's kidnapping.

Well, speaking as somebody who was a paramedic from years past, I could tell you that technically he has to be of right mind to refuse treatment/transport. Allowing him to refuse treatment while he's blasted but needs help, that's just begging to get your emt license pulled and possibly brought up before a judge in tort court.