Placebo effect...really?

[MossRoad]

I took that to mean that he applied the WH, then drank the beer!

Don't be so sure... :laughing:

 

[stuckmotor]

The Wikipedia article on homeopathy and speculation about why it seemed effective in the 19th century was very interesting.

 

[stuckmotor]

I injured my left shoulder maybe 40 years ago, and for the last couple of months it has been so sore that I cannot sleep, or even lay on my left side for any length of time. Yesterday, Sharn Jean was going through her jewelry box, gathering up several of her old watches that I had promised to take in for new batteries, and when she gave me the watches, she slipped an old "Bio-Ray" bracelet on my left wrist. I recalled her buying it years ago, and apparently she ran on to it looking for her old watches. I didn't pay much attention, but left it on all day. Last night, when I went to bed, I was able to not only lay on my left side, but go to sleep without pain.

Now I am trained in science, have a BS degree, in biology and chemistry; worked in industrial research for 16 years, practiced law for about 25 or so, and don't consider myself very subject to suggestion. I believe the reduction in pain was not only real, but significant; much more so than a couple of Ibuprofens. all of the information I have seen so far, say that the effects of the bracelet are the result of the placebo effect (via scientific studies no less). In my case, the effect has been not only significant, but almost immediate...but now I am totally confused, but being a pragmatic individual, I'll take the results and the good night's sleep.

Any comments welcome!

2LaneCruzer,
It's been well over a year since you started the thread. How's your shoulder feeling?

 

[oosik]

When I'm in serious pain ( 2x in my life ) I really don't care what relieves that pain. As long as it does not make my condition worse - what difference does it make. My pain has been in my shoulders. Loud sound - music - will take my mind off the pain. Sometimes walking around the property will do it. Times I have used narcotic prescriptions. I've never tried acupuncture or the bracelet. But that's because they were not available to me at the time.

My BS and MS are both in science. Let those who know more than I do - figure it out. When the pain is truly intense - who cares.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

2LaneCruzer,
It's been well over a year since you started the thread. How's your shoulder feeling?

Unfortunately, the results were temporary, and I'm back where I was before, and I don't wear the bracelet any more. The covid has messed up my regimen, but I have enough doctor's appointments lined up maybe I can get some relief...but I'm realistic; as an octogenarian, I don't expect to become a lumberjack, but I'm hoping I can at least walk to the mailbox and back and keep my yard mowed!

 

[stuckmotor]

I'm sorry to hear the pain is back.
My doctor claimed he could sew my torn rotator cuff back. Having cattle to tend I asked him how long after the operation it would before I could dig a post hole in real hard ground. The jerk said, "NEVER, I GUESS YOU WANT A FULL HEAD OF HAIR!".
In the words of the great sage (removed), "Dese doctors need to learn who they de employees of."

 

[Industrial Toys]

My various pain and afflictions have always been made frustratingly complex by poor or no diagnosis. No blood test I have ever taken tested positive for anything. Except maybe arthitis.
I was in excruciating pain years ago, that would move around my body. Leg one day, then arm the next, then the other leg and same arm, just moving around. Not being able to move that limb. EXPERTS diagnosed it as Reuamatoid (sp?) Arthritis.

Chiropractor/Naturopath (sp?) suggested Vitamine C and Homeopathic Arnica Montana. Symtoms went away. EXPERTS didn't say much about that.

I was under a lot of stress from a relationship, which I removed myself from. My gut feeling, is that it was more that than anything.

Much about our health or lack thereof is self inflicted. The body has incredible means of healing itself. But you can't expect it to heal, when you are still damaging it or have done way too much damage way too long.

 

[Fuddy1952]

I had a really bad motorcycle accident (one of many...but the worst one) 40 years ago. Mainly left shoulder then over the years a lipoma grew. It was removed a couple years ago, size of a softball!
I still can't sleep on left side for long either.
The surgery certainly helped, but it sure laying on that side.
Maybe I'll order the bracelet and try it.

 

[Fuddy1952]

I was looking up the Bio Ray Bracelet, but there is a wide variety of prices and they're different materials: gold, stainless steel, copper, etc. Some are a braided cable.
Which one should I get? Thanks so much!

 

[stuckmotor]

Fuddy,
A few days of relief is a few days of relief, no matter what the reason. Good luck.