Choosing attachments for L4701, looking for suggestions.

[Cranblue]

A 4-WD L4701 has just enough weight to pull a Three Point Hitch mounted Tandem Disc Harrow 72" wide with pans 20" in diameter, weighing around 900 pounds. The tractor will grunt during second and third passes over the field, when the soil is soft.

Your L4701 is around 200 pounds lighter than my L3560, an insignificant difference. You will benefit if your L4701's rear wheels/tires carry iron wheel weights bolted to the wheels or liquid internally ballasts the rear tires, pulling a 900 pound disc.

MORE: Disc Harrow - Tandem Disc Harrow Selection For Compact Tractors

See especially Post #16.

With 4x4 FEL loader could one fill front bucket with dirt and pull disc with out rear tire weights or liquid in tires ??

 

[josiahgarber]

A 4-WD L4701 has just enough weight to pull a Three Point Hitch mounted Tandem Disc Harrow 72" wide with pans 20" in diameter, weighing around 900 pounds. The tractor will grunt during second and third passes over the field, when the soil is soft.

Your L4701 is around 200 pounds lighter than my L3560, an insignificant difference. You will benefit if your L4701's rear wheels/tires carry iron wheel weights bolted to the wheels or liquid internally ballasts the rear tires, pulling a 900 pound disc.

MORE: Disc Harrow - Tandem Disc Harrow Selection For Compact Tractors

See especially Post #16.

Thanks that's helpful. I guess I need to be wide enough to cover my tracks.

Would you also recommend a 72" rotary cutter? Or is 60" a better fit?

 

[Cranblue]

Thanks that's helpful. I guess I need to be wide enough to cover my tracks.

Would you also recommend a 72" rotary cutter? Or is 60" a better fit?

My guess 72 in open areas tractor can handle it but in wooded tight areas 60 may be more desirable?? If you got live front hydraulic valve you may like Land Shark there an awesome way to brush cut.Mower deck on front of tractor you can obliviously raise deck much higher than 3pt hitch !!! Flips up and you can mow sides of roads very effectively.My opinion much better way to brush hog not running tractor over brush first or no need to back over brush with deck on 3pt. It’s hydraulic driven so on 4701 60in may be as big as you can go ??

 

[jeff9366]

With 4x4 FEL loader could one fill front bucket with dirt and pull disc with out rear tire weights or liquid in tires ??

My L3560 has 35-horsepower. I have air in the tires yet pull the 900 pound disc fine in Florida sandy-loam, toggling between HST MED/High and HST MED/Low on the Grand L 'HST+' half step transmission, generally at 75% to 100% throttle.

The L4701 has 47-horsepower and is lighter. From experience I guesstimate supplemental weight on the rear tires will aid traction to apply the additional horsepower to the ground. You have to pull a Disc Harrow at a brisk clip for it to even the land properly.

While an FEL does add weight and dirt in the bucket adds more, the combination weight in front of the tractor leverages weight off the rear tires, negating some ( all? ) of the FEL weight bearing on rear tires. Most with an SSQA bucket probably drop it for improved forward visibility when harrowing. I do. I once removed the entire FEL when preparing to harrow for several hours.

One can reduce the disc gang angles to reduce draft force resistance. One can raise the disc. One can lengthen the Top Link to shift more disc weight to the rear, smoothing gangs. But above draft force reduction adjustments reduce pan penetration of the soil.

Soils vary a lot. Soil moisture varies a lot. Tractor tire types and tread wear varies. Perhaps half of disc harrow users set their new disc aggressively, then never adjust the gang angles again. Too many variations to really answer your question with certainty.

Did you open the LINK in Post #20 and read the attached Post #7?





Bare tractors are designed with a standard weight distribution of 40% front, 60% rear.

Add a Front End Loader and the weight distribution becomes 50% front, 50% rear. (+/-)

Fill the bucket and the weight moves forward, leveraged by low-forward position of a laden bucket.
Could be 60% front, 40% rear. (Tractor wheelbase affects weight distribution.)

Traction is reduced because weight has transferred away from the big rear wheels.
(Hence the need for rear axle ballast.)

Rear wheels may or may not lift from the ground at this moment, but they will certainly be "light" if bucket payload is wet.

Green tree trunk sections and laden pallets on pallet forks are often heavier than wet bucket loads. Laden pallets protrude forward. Weight distribution could be 70% front, 30% rear. Rear wheels will lift.

 

[JethroB]

You will likely learn with most TPH implements engaged to ride with your right hand on the position control lever most of the time. For me it’s just a habit I don’t even think about. If your mower suddenly bites into more than it can chew or your wheels start spinning/losing traction when disking, subsoiling, or the like you can quickly lift the implement a bit. It becomes an instinctive reflex. My old MF has draft control but I found I prefer the manual route.

 

[josiahgarber]

Hmm. I'm in need of some advice. If I should start a new thread, just let me know.

I went to raise my three point hitch today and nothing happened. Checked the valve under the seat to make sure it was open, tried in the middle position no luck.

Did some troubleshooting tonight and found out that when if I raise my bucket up and curl the bucket down nothing happens to my 3 point hitch... However, when i curl my bucket up the three point hitch raises to the position I have it set at! Very strange.

My guess is a hydraulic line is hooked into the wrong place? I'd appreciate any advice on this. Lowering the 3 point hitch is no problem, but there seems to be no other way to raise it besides curling the bucket up.

 

[AV8R]

Hmm. I'm in need of some advice. If I should start a new thread, just let me know.

I went to raise my three point hitch today and nothing happened. Checked the valve under the seat to make sure it was open, tried in the middle position no luck.

Did some troubleshooting tonight and found out that when if I raise my bucket up and curl the bucket down nothing happens to my 3 point hitch... However, when i curl my bucket up the three point hitch raises to the position I have it set at! Very strange.

My guess is a hydraulic line is hooked into the wrong place? I'd appreciate any advice on this. Lowering the 3 point hitch is no problem, but there seems to be no other way to raise it besides curling the bucket up.

I just added a LA765 loader from a dealer a week or so. I had the same thing. The lines from the block to the valve to the joystick controller were swapped. The loader functioned fine but the 3-pt would only work with the loader controller and the 3-pt lever together. I called the dealer, they sent the diagram saw which lines were crossed. I swapped them, and works normally. Easy fix and I didn't have to trailer 130 mile roundtrip....

 

[AV8R]

Then after got that fixed it I got the Summit 3rd Function Valve and added a Grapple.

 

[josiahgarber]

I just added a LA765 loader from a dealer a week or so. I had the same thing. The lines from the block to the valve to the joystick controller were swapped. The loader functioned fine but the 3-pt would only work with the loader controller and the 3-pt lever together. I called the dealer, they sent the diagram saw which lines were crossed. I swapped them, and works normally. Easy fix and I didn't have to trailer 130 mile roundtrip....

Thanks! I thought it would be something simple like that. I'll try the swap this afternoon. Anything I should be aware of when switching the lines? I haven't worked with hydraulics a lot.

 

[josiahgarber]

Then after got that fixed it I got the Summit 3rd Function Valve and added a Grapple.

Nice looking setup! I'm waiting on my grapple and planning to install my 3rd function valve today. Do you have any tips for how to wire the 3rd function? I've seen a bunch of videos on the install, but everyone skips over the wiring part. I'm guessing because it's taken for granted that people will know how to do it.