buck12
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That is a problem. Maybe if government programs were setup to encourage people to transition off government benefits instead of cutting them off all at once more people would go to work.
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That is a problem. Maybe if government programs were setup to encourage people to transition off government benefits instead of cutting them off all at once more people would go to work.
Agreed. When you have to turn down a pay raise just so you can afford healthcare for your children you know we as a country took a very wrong turn somewhere.
Here's another one. A cousin, who's like another brother to me, was a hard working guy who would give you the shirt off his back. He went to school to become a welder and got a job at a plant while building his house at night. He got tired of that so took a job which trained him to be a licensed oil burner repairman. He's meticulous to a tee, no matter what project he is working on.
After a while he went out on his own as a fabrication welder and in no time had a clientele built up. At 38, with 2 kids in HS he was diagnosed with degenerative kidney disease. He went out on disability and went back to school to learn computers while waiting for a transplant.
He graduated just as the bottom dropped out of that market...
After his new kidney he tried to go back to work, but getting back into the market and giving up his Medicare would have meant working full time just to pay for the meds he needs just to keep his body from rejecting the donated kidney. Over the last 20 years he's gone from an independent hard working guy to somebody who stresses about what he needs to stay alive... which means he's become completely dependent on "the government." He knew that the time would come when he would need another transplant (His brother donated the first, his sister is donating this time... something they decided on 23 years ago.)
That time is now. As I type this, he is going through his nightly dialysis. He was all ready for the transplant last year, until Covid raised it's ugly head.
But I digress. Had there been a way for him to go back to work without worrying about paying for his meds than he would have done so. Some members here will say that he should have planned better, yet how many can honestly say that at 38 years old they could have made 2000$/month prescription payments for the rest of their life?
After a while he went out on his own as a fabrication welder and in no time had a clientele built up. At 38, with 2 kids in HS he was diagnosed with degenerative kidney disease. He went out on disability and went back to school to learn computers while waiting for a transplant.
He graduated just as the bottom dropped out of that market...
After his new kidney he tried to go back to work, but getting back into the market and giving up his Medicare would have meant working full time just to pay for the meds he needs just to keep his body from rejecting the donated kidney. Over the last 20 years he's gone from an independent hard working guy to somebody who stresses about what he needs to stay alive... which means he's become completely dependent on "the government." He knew that the time would come when he would need another transplant (His brother donated the first, his sister is donating this time... something they decided on 23 years ago.)
That time is now. As I type this, he is going through his nightly dialysis. He was all ready for the transplant last year, until Covid raised it's ugly head.
But I digress. Had there been a way for him to go back to work without worrying about paying for his meds than he would have done so. Some members here will say that he should have planned better, yet how many can honestly say that at 38 years old they could have made 2000$/month prescription payments for the rest of their life?
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There seems to be consensus here that work is better than handouts for able people.
It is basic common sense.
BUT-
How many times have you seen or heard the media pointing any of this out? Investigating people sitting at home v working in restaurants or stores?
How many “leaders” point this out?
How many “leaders” stoke the we v they mantra on income inequities? It’s not your fault you don’t have what the rich have. It’s the rich people’s fault.
Answer is ZERO. Nada.
Yet - and everyone best understand this - those that want to give away everything are the current “leaders”. It will get way worse than now.
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It is basic common sense.
BUT-
How many times have you seen or heard the media pointing any of this out? Investigating people sitting at home v working in restaurants or stores?
How many “leaders” point this out?
How many “leaders” stoke the we v they mantra on income inequities? It’s not your fault you don’t have what the rich have. It’s the rich people’s fault.
Answer is ZERO. Nada.
Yet - and everyone best understand this - those that want to give away everything are the current “leaders”. It will get way worse than now.
MoKelly
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Good point, and while we are talking about “leaders”, maybe LeBron James can encourage his followers to not resist arrest?
Maybe less people will get killed by cops if they don’t fight with them?
And then maybe the anti-cop diatribe 24/7 on the “news” media will stop? Then we can have enough cops to protect the helpless.
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Yes. LeBron is getting quite a bit of bad publicity over his actions. I am surprised. Hopefully he pays for his irresponsibility like others.
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I agree 110%. You don't know anyone who works harder than i do. Not everyone is looking for a free ride but....
Just look around. Many folks don't subscribe to our way of thinking! FOLKS FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE!
2LaneCruzer
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When many of us were growing up, there was no alternative...except maybe the dreaded "poor house". You had no choice except to educate and train yourself to make a living and support a family. I was pretty sure when I got my education, I was going to be kicked out of the house...
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This seems to be a good place for a rant, so here I go. I really don't think the main problem is that people are stupid or lazy, I think it's lazy thinking. A lot of people don't make the effort to think things through and for the long term. We see the stories about how lucrative welfare can be compared to working, but most poor people don't avail themselves of the benefits available because they don't bother to learn about them. Example: a major portion of the people who got medical insurance under the ACA actually were added to Medicaid and were already eligible.
Whenever our legislators create these new benefit programs, they seem to always add hard on/off income level points instead of gradually reducing the benefit, which provides an incentive to game the system by maintaining income below a point.
It's hard to be low income in todays world and I'm generally in favor of most support programs. However, they seem to always be badly administered. As crazy as it sounds, I'm very interested in the results of the basic income guarantee concept to replace a lot of the complicated programs.
Whenever our legislators create these new benefit programs, they seem to always add hard on/off income level points instead of gradually reducing the benefit, which provides an incentive to game the system by maintaining income below a point.
It's hard to be low income in todays world and I'm generally in favor of most support programs. However, they seem to always be badly administered. As crazy as it sounds, I'm very interested in the results of the basic income guarantee concept to replace a lot of the complicated programs.
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The hot topic these days is 'affordable housing' for the poor.
OK, now who will build housing that meets all codes at a loss?
Worst is that superior quality materials are needed to offset anticipated abuse.
Then the 'poor' will still not afford to pay the rents as whatever income they get goes to alcohol and drugs anyway.
A lot is stacked against the poor. Ever notice that food sales are never in the week of welfare checks? They always seem to the week preceding when the poor have no money left.
Same goes for essentials, best prices always go to volume buying which , naturally the needy has no money to take advantage of.
Another observation I have made is that in 'affordable' complexes there is never adequate parking as those needy tenants seem to have multiple vehicles.
A further abuse is the lady that leaves her new Lexus (Cady) around the corner and replaces her mink coat with a well worn stained cloth coat to claim her free food for the month. Worst is refusing dried pasta but taking all the fresh fruit she can carry.
Then there is the volunteer that works free just to get 1st choice of high value garments and electronics (and sells the 'loot' at a yard sale or flee market)
OK, end of rant.
OK, now who will build housing that meets all codes at a loss?
Worst is that superior quality materials are needed to offset anticipated abuse.
Then the 'poor' will still not afford to pay the rents as whatever income they get goes to alcohol and drugs anyway.
A lot is stacked against the poor. Ever notice that food sales are never in the week of welfare checks? They always seem to the week preceding when the poor have no money left.
Same goes for essentials, best prices always go to volume buying which , naturally the needy has no money to take advantage of.
Another observation I have made is that in 'affordable' complexes there is never adequate parking as those needy tenants seem to have multiple vehicles.
A further abuse is the lady that leaves her new Lexus (Cady) around the corner and replaces her mink coat with a well worn stained cloth coat to claim her free food for the month. Worst is refusing dried pasta but taking all the fresh fruit she can carry.
Then there is the volunteer that works free just to get 1st choice of high value garments and electronics (and sells the 'loot' at a yard sale or flee market)
OK, end of rant.